All research done with public money should be publicly available.
Full stop.
Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
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Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is programming is one of the rare white-collar jobs where a non-negligible amount of people don't have college degrees. So there's some resentment/contempt/regrets from seeing people who spent massive amounts of money and four years of their lives end up doing the same quality work as highschool drop-outs.
Wouldn't the resentment be going the other way then?
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Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can’t tell if by “dying industry” you mean universities or journal databases.
Honest question: why do commenters here frequently seem to bear a chip on their shoulder when it comes to institutions of higher learning?
Probably because in the USA higher education is an objectively bad move for most of the people that undertake it. Combine that with the fact that they’ve been told forever it’s a good/necessary thing and you can see bitterness start to creep in.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is programming is one of the rare white-collar jobs where a non-negligible amount of people don't have college degrees. So there's some resentment/contempt/regrets from seeing people who spent massive amounts of money and four years of their lives end up doing the same quality work as highschool drop-outs.
Wouldn't the resentment be going the other way then?
Resentment has a way of spreading itself.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is programming is one of the rare white-collar jobs where a non-negligible amount of people don't have college degrees. So there's some resentment/contempt/regrets from seeing people who spent massive amounts of money and four years of their lives end up doing the same quality work as highschool drop-outs.
Wouldn't the resentment be going the other way then?
I mean as far as I can tell the resentment could come from both those who went to and didn't go to college. Those who didn't go would feel resentment towards peers who are valued more due to what they perceive as signalling while those who did go would feel resentment towards peers who they perceive as lacking foundation or towards colleges themselves for ostensively making them spend time and money for skills their peers gained for free.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#16Meanwhile, everyone involved knows about the black raven in the room (the one with the reddish key in its mouth). It's just not polite to mention it.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#17Papers produced using any amount of taxpayer money should be required to be publicly available. Not doing so is like stealing a farmer's crops so you can sell him food made from them.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#18Meanwhile, everyone involved knows about the black raven in the room (the one with the reddish key in its mouth). It's just not polite to mention it.
(They're talking about the logo of Sci-Hub [1], the pirate site that offers most scholarly articles regardless of whether they're behind a paywall or not. They're likely to be a major reason why academics are not going to revolt about access being cut off.)
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question: why do commenters here frequently seem to bear a chip on their shoulder when it comes to institutions of higher learning?
Probably because in the USA higher education is an objectively bad move for most of the people that undertake it. Combine that with the fact that they’ve been told forever it’s a good/necessary thing and you can see bitterness start to creep in.
It's somewhat disappointing because academic research is a /very/ different beast from attending University for an undergraduate degree... they serve very different roles.
Re: Elsevier cuts off UC’s access to its academic journals
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question: why do commenters here frequently seem to bear a chip on their shoulder when it comes to institutions of higher learning?
Probably because in the USA higher education is an objectively bad move for most of the people that undertake it. Combine that with the fact that they’ve been told forever it’s a good/necessary thing and you can see bitterness start to creep in.
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