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Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by loeg »

axaxs wrote: post #52
d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

I'm happy for you, and those who've stopped smoking. That said, for me personally, ECigs have been a detriment. My city basically outlawed smoking, which was generally great. Then ECig users started smoking everywhere in place of cigarettes, and even less respectfully. I had people in my office constantly smoking them, even. My thoughts on both are the same - do what you want as long as it doesn't bother me. ECig use…

Where I live they're socially and legally treated exactly like any other form of smoked tobacco.

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Post by colordrops »

CryoLogic wrote: post #53
pessimizer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint This is not a thing that's true, it's a thing you assume. Having different smokes or vapors in your lungs can have different effects, just as drinking different liquids can have different effects. Tobacco smoke causes cancers. The more elements in another smoke that are shared with tobacco (or other plants that cau…

From what I have read any type of smoke you put in your lungs is carcinogenic, Marijuana included. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283?dopt=Abstract

Yes, but some types of smoke are much more carcinogenic than others.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

umvi wrote: post #41
exolymph wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's market demand for it, nicotine synthesis will probably get cheaper: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/vaping-industry-wants-go-post-... It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

> It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you I mean, can we agree substances that enslave you - and by extension your pocketbook - are "bad for you" regardless of if they cause you to die at a sooner age?

It isn’t the nicotine that makes smoking that addictive, which is why cessation methods that focus just on nicotine fail. It is the tar and the flavor that are the big factors in both addiction and getting cancer, e-cigs are a simulated experience that recreate some of the feeling of smoking without actually shoving real smoke into your lungs.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

andykx wrote: post #31
dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

Who knows if they would have become smokers of vaping didn’t exist? Yes, there will be new smokers who start with vaping and never see a cigarette, but given that there were new cigarette smokers before, it still feels like we are moving in the right direction.

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Post by rjeli »

Nas808 wrote: post #50
d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

I smoked for 15 years and tried all the usual quitting aids many times. E-cigs were the only thing that worked for me, but I’m a bit concerned about the long term affects of vaping.

Have you tried tapering the nicotine levels from vaping? Asking for myself..

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Post by anthony_doan »

My friend's brother in law is a pediatrician, BIL talks about e-cig stories a lot. How young teen are using e-cig and cases where these high school boys are losing their sex drive (getting ED).

I'm not advocating for a ban but there should be independent studies conducted on the effect of e-cig and also more awareness for younger children. I'd like a long term studies on the effect of e-cig.

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

exolymph wrote: post #22
darkpuma wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you think the nicotine in any of these products comes from? The whole damn thing is the tobacco industry, not merely the parts of it wearing the legacy brands on their sleeves. The reputation of the tobacco industry is well earned. Vigilant regulation is necessary to keep it on a leash.

If there's market demand for it, nicotine synthesis will probably get cheaper: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/vaping-industry-wants-go-post-... It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

I doubt nicotine is good for you, though. It's not like it's some micronutrient and the FDA says you should get 10mg of nicotine a day.

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Post by anthony_doan »

loeg wrote: post #7
r00fus wrote: post #2

What does "seek FDA review" involve? Is 10m an appropriate lead time, or do we expect to see a lot of extension requests? What's the likelihood that FDA in early 2020 will not again kick the can down the road?

I think the main hurdle is that you have to take a huge pile of money and light it on fire as a sacrifice to the FDA. This obviously limits the number of products and vendors that can participate in the market, although it isn't at all clear that it will reduce uptake by non-smokers.

> I think the main hurdle is that you have to take a huge pile of money and light it on fire as a sacrifice to the FDA.

While the FDA is not perfect, such as medical devices regulation was in limbo and theranos, it did prevent many harmful drugs from enter market.

When I was interning at FDA NCTR, the director then was very proud that they've prevented thalidomide, that causes deformities in newly born babies, from entering market.

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