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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by dzhiurgis »

RandomTisk wrote: post #16
andrepd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tobacco industry is pivoting hard to ecigs (in the developed world at least, in more corrupt and less regulated countries they are still happily pushing it on teenagers and lobbying to take down anti-tobacco laws and education drives). It's disgusting. In the US, you've got a massive spike in the number of 12th grade smokers, for the first time in decades. Because ecigs aren't regulated, it's a free for all. The…

All the 'cool' kids on Twitch vape these days, it's pretty good marketing for the activity and my guess is that alone accounts for a few percentage points at least of new vapers.

So weird. Twitch has been virtue signalling on so many superfluous things, but not vaping. Perhaps nobody noted yet?

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by axaxs »

d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

I'm happy for you, and those who've stopped smoking. That said, for me personally, ECigs have been a detriment. My city basically outlawed smoking, which was generally great. Then ECig users started smoking everywhere in place of cigarettes, and even less respectfully. I had people in my office constantly smoking them, even. My thoughts on both are the same - do what you want as long as it doesn't bother me. ECig users seem to ignore that here. As long as they are treated and regulated like cigarettes, I'm on board.

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Post by CryoLogic »

pessimizer wrote: post #48
Symmetry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody dies from Marijuana overdoses but having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint or a campfire and it's pretty much equally bad each way. Users tend to spend less time smoking joints than cigarettes but I'd be very surprised if the incidence of lung cancer from marijuana was zero.

> having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint This is not a thing that's true, it's a thing you assume. Having different smokes or vapors in your lungs can have different effects, just as drinking different liquids can have different effects. Tobacco smoke causes cancers. The more elements in another smoke that are shared with tobacco (or other plants that cau…

From what I have read any type of smoke you put in your lungs is carcinogenic, Marijuana included. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283?dopt=Abstract

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Post by inlined »

pessimizer wrote: post #48
Symmetry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody dies from Marijuana overdoses but having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint or a campfire and it's pretty much equally bad each way. Users tend to spend less time smoking joints than cigarettes but I'd be very surprised if the incidence of lung cancer from marijuana was zero.

> having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint This is not a thing that's true, it's a thing you assume. Having different smokes or vapors in your lungs can have different effects, just as drinking different liquids can have different effects. Tobacco smoke causes cancers. The more elements in another smoke that are shared with tobacco (or other plants that cau…

> Vaping doesn’t even involve burning vegetable matter

Actually the substrates are PG or (more popularly) VG. That’s propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin. The latter is obviously plant based and studies have even measured the concentration vapers breathe as meeting OSHA standards.

The real dangers of vaping are: the vasoconstriction of nicotine, the flavoring (which famously caused issues when a substance that was safe to consume but not inhale was used), and the free radicals from burning cotton or oxidizing metal in the coils.

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Post by snek »

dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

That's an excellent use of e-cigs. The issue is the companies that stuff enormous amounts of nicotine into their e-cigs and then claiming that it "helps people quit smoking" only because they're even more addicted to the e-cig, and then the kids who get hooked on these bad e-cigs.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

axaxs wrote: post #52
d1zzy wrote: post #3

I hope this doesn't result in e-cigs getting banned in the US because that would be terrible. I live in the same house with someone who has been smoking since they were a teenager (quite common where we're from) and e-cigs has allowed them to stop smoking cigarettes which may or may not benefit them that much but it most certainly benefits me (no smell of smoke in the house, no second hand smoking, etc). They have tr…

I'm happy for you, and those who've stopped smoking. That said, for me personally, ECigs have been a detriment. My city basically outlawed smoking, which was generally great. Then ECig users started smoking everywhere in place of cigarettes, and even less respectfully. I had people in my office constantly smoking them, even. My thoughts on both are the same - do what you want as long as it doesn't bother me. ECig use…

That's much more a cultural and location thing. For a lot of purposes ECigs are treated like tobacco, most public smoking laws apply to ECigs ( and cannabis, etc). The reason people get away with ECigs is its less offensive in a lot of places but what can the fed. Gov due about local policing and attitude toward ECigs?

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Post by jimmytucson »

umvi wrote: post #41
exolymph wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's market demand for it, nicotine synthesis will probably get cheaper: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/vaping-industry-wants-go-post-... It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

> It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you I mean, can we agree substances that enslave you - and by extension your pocketbook - are "bad for you" regardless of if they cause you to die at a sooner age?

Bingo. People that quit smoking with ecigs are transferring their addiction to something else. It may be less harmful than smoking or chewing tobacco, which inevitably leads people to compare it to caffeine.

I’ve been addicted to both. Not once has the need for a triple latte pulled me out of a movie theater at the good part, or made me duck under an eave in the freezing cold when it’s raining outside. Nicotine is first thing you think about when you wake up, when you finish a meal, when you get out of a meeting, and it’s the last thing you do before bed.

Addictions are addictions. But nicotine has demanded more of my time, money, and social and physical well-being than caffeine, for sure.

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Post by throwawaycert »

darkpuma wrote: post #36
vanattab wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The nicotine in eliquid is the same as that used in pharmaceutical NRT. It is extracted from a member of the tobacco family but not the same plant as used for smoking tobacco as that has much less nicotine in the leaves than the rustica type of tobacco plant. https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-nicotine-used-in-electr...

Same industry, same shameless marketing to kids.

NRT is also used to treat people suffering (and I do mean suffering, it's a horrid burden) from ulcerative colitis. Maybe don't spend too much energy shitting on one of the only forms of relief available to them?

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Post by jokowueu »

inlined wrote: post #54
pessimizer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint This is not a thing that's true, it's a thing you assume. Having different smokes or vapors in your lungs can have different effects, just as drinking different liquids can have different effects. Tobacco smoke causes cancers. The more elements in another smoke that are shared with tobacco (or other plants that cau…

> Vaping doesn’t even involve burning vegetable matter Actually the substrates are PG or (more popularly) VG. That’s propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin. The latter is obviously plant based and studies have even measured the concentration vapers breathe as meeting OSHA standards. The real dangers of vaping are: the vasoconstriction of nicotine, the flavoring (which famously caused issues when a substance that was…

Then ceramic coil ftw

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by loeg »

andrepd wrote: post #8
dmix wrote: post #5

Me and almost everyone I know who smoked quit using e-cigarettes and they are all adults. But my province (at least the prior party) is obsessed with making them harder and harder to find - at all - because 'think of the children'. I bet the tobacco industry must love governments right now. They were getting seriously threatened for a moment there.

The tobacco industry is pivoting hard to ecigs (in the developed world at least, in more corrupt and less regulated countries they are still happily pushing it on teenagers and lobbying to take down anti-tobacco laws and education drives). It's disgusting. In the US, you've got a massive spike in the number of 12th grade smokers, for the first time in decades. Because ecigs aren't regulated, it's a free for all. The…

> Because ecigs aren't regulated, it's a free for all.

They're still restricted in sale to >18 year olds, exactly the same as the definitely-worse cigarettes. The FDA approval process doesn't change who they can be sold to.

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