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Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by andykx »

dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by [deleted] »

andykx wrote: post #31
dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by dade_ »

andykx wrote: post #31
dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

I share your concern, but they may have become smokers if it weren't for e-cigs. I started at 15 and smoked a pack a day and some of my friends smoked double that. That's 50 cigarettes a day and not even 20. I hope the data turns out to be good news, but I really don't like how people are treating them as risk free or safe when we really don't know.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by darkpuma »

vanattab wrote: post #21
darkpuma wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you think the nicotine in any of these products comes from? The whole damn thing is the tobacco industry, not merely the parts of it wearing the legacy brands on their sleeves. The reputation of the tobacco industry is well earned. Vigilant regulation is necessary to keep it on a leash.

>The nicotine in eliquid is the same as that used in pharmaceutical NRT. It is extracted from a member of the tobacco family but not the same plant as used for smoking tobacco as that has much less nicotine in the leaves than the rustica type of tobacco plant. https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-nicotine-used-in-electr...

Same industry, same shameless marketing to kids.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by fromthestart »

andykx wrote: post #31
dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

>I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more

I have yet to see any indication that vaping is dangerous, beyond changes in the brain from addiction. There are typically a handful of non-toxic* ingredients, and nicotine is not known to be harmful.

*For consumption, not inhalation. Still, compared to cigarettes, this seems a bit like hysteria.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

#38

Post by nordsieck »

akeck wrote: post #24

Tobacco is an "agricultural product" if I recall correctly. It's allowed, in part, because it predates the United States. On the other hand, e-cigs to me (IANAL) are a "drug delivery system". I've always been curious about how they were allowed even to get started - let alone turn into a 7 billion dollar market.

> I've always been curious about how they were allowed even to get started

Laws are created reactively. By default everything is legal, and it is only when there is a problem that a law is made about something.

If you go to the vitamin shop, you can see a whole isle of unregulated substances people ingest. I'm not really sure (legally) how e-cigs are different.

Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by rtkwe »

dade_ wrote: post #33
andykx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the dangerous thing is that people who have never smoked are using vapes more and more. I'm 26 and the vast majority of my friends have never been smokers, but are consistent vapers. I agree that they can help smokers, but I think the primary audience for these products never smoked.

I share your concern, but they may have become smokers if it weren't for e-cigs. I started at 15 and smoked a pack a day and some of my friends smoked double that. That's 50 cigarettes a day and not even 20. I hope the data turns out to be good news, but I really don't like how people are treating them as risk free or safe when we really don't know.

Maybe, but smoking going down a lot already in the years before vaping really showed up especially iirc among younger cohorts. Antismoking efforts had worked pretty well but then vaping came in and dodged 99% of the social (at least the antismoking stigma I remember vaping being the brunt of soo many jokes and mockery when it first hit) and health stigma with no real science to back up the health claims (in absolute it's not hard to be better for your health than cigarettes after all).
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