It blows my mind that Google and Facebook have been demonized by the wider media as "surveillance capitalism" while Palantir, who for all intents and purposes is literally a surveillance tech giant, has largely escaped public consciousness and criticism.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are essential to the economy because American employers can pay below-market wages for back-breaking labor. I'd prefer to make such practices illegal, rather than continually subjecting undocumented immigrants to awful working conditions with no healthcare or legal recourse in cases of abuse. If a concerted effort was made to improve the lives of such workers, I think you'd be surprised how quickly Americans wou…
I think you'd be surprised how fast the companies hiring all those workers would go bankrupt, leaving the United States without an agricultural industry (which is as critical to national security as the rule of law). Americans are, on the whole, unwilling to pay the prices required to provide people with a living wage and proper labor protections.
Labor is only a small percent of agricultural costs. They could profitably pay pickers far more without a substantial increase in food prices.
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#143> "Palantir software is instrumental to the operations of ICE, which is planning one of the largest-ever targeted immigration enforcement raids this weekend on thousands of undocumented families. Activists argue raids of this scale would be impossible without software like Palantir." Once and for all, it is the policy makers, not the tech industry, who are responsible for these operations. Tech enables people doing t…
Seriously want to understand: what exactly is wrong with equipping cops with better tech to catch people who blatantly violate laws? I am not talking about tech that itself violates constitution/laws but rather the tech that works within the boundary of constitution/laws while helping cops do their job better.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an American citizen who is happy to see the law enforced. I don't live in Atherton or Palo Alto. There were two Central American gang-related shootings near my family's home last week; there were two MS-13 murders in the broader area earlier this year. I grew up here, and it didn't used to be like this. I want to see those who come here illegally, or who have been denied refugee status as the result of due proces…
I believe a [citation needed] is required for the claim that US immigration policy is "internationally conventional". There is of course enormous variance in how countries handle immigration, but the ethical and conventional policy could be summarized as: 1. Border enforcement. Ie, try to prevent people from entering illegally 2. Tolerance for those who are illegally present (2) Means that a person who emigrated ille…
> (2) Means that a person who emigrated illegally should be able to exist outside the shadows.
This doesn’t make much sense to me. You are saying people who win the lottery of illegally getting in to a country without detection should be rewarded. People who figure out how to beat country’s systems of legal entry should be handed awards of permanent residency. Why? If citizens don’t want to punish illegal immigrants then they should just eliminate relevant laws. But if laws exist then it should be applied uniformly, equally and with due process to everyone.
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#145> "Palantir software is instrumental to the operations of ICE, which is planning one of the largest-ever targeted immigration enforcement raids this weekend on thousands of undocumented families. Activists argue raids of this scale would be impossible without software like Palantir." Once and for all, it is the policy makers, not the tech industry, who are responsible for these operations. Tech enables people doing t…
I'm an American citizen who is happy to see the law enforced. I don't live in Atherton or Palo Alto. There were two Central American gang-related shootings near my family's home last week; there were two MS-13 murders in the broader area earlier this year. I grew up here, and it didn't used to be like this. I want to see those who come here illegally, or who have been denied refugee status as the result of due proces…
Something tells me you’d have a very different reaction if the same piece of software was used to track “legal” firearms crossing us state borders, for example.
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#146> "Palantir software is instrumental to the operations of ICE, which is planning one of the largest-ever targeted immigration enforcement raids this weekend on thousands of undocumented families. Activists argue raids of this scale would be impossible without software like Palantir." Once and for all, it is the policy makers, not the tech industry, who are responsible for these operations. Tech enables people doing t…
Seriously want to understand: what exactly is wrong with equipping cops with better tech to catch people who blatantly violate laws? I am not talking about tech that itself violates constitution/laws but rather the tech that works within the boundary of constitution/laws while helping cops do their job better.
They can use it to skirt the law completely and you’d never even know.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an American citizen who is happy to see the law enforced. I don't live in Atherton or Palo Alto. There were two Central American gang-related shootings near my family's home last week; there were two MS-13 murders in the broader area earlier this year. I grew up here, and it didn't used to be like this. I want to see those who come here illegally, or who have been denied refugee status as the result of due proces…
I believe a [citation needed] is required for the claim that US immigration policy is "internationally conventional". There is of course enormous variance in how countries handle immigration, but the ethical and conventional policy could be summarized as: 1. Border enforcement. Ie, try to prevent people from entering illegally 2. Tolerance for those who are illegally present (2) Means that a person who emigrated ille…
> 2. Tolerance for those who are illegally present
I don't think this is true in any other country than USA, and it is only true in USA due to States not being allowed to enact their own immigration laws. California is very tolerant of illegal immigrants since according to them they are not really illegal.
In most countries it works like this: People arrive to a country, as soon as it is noticed that they are illegal they get contacted by authorities and they get to seek asylum etc. If they don't then they are not tolerated. If they do then during the asylum process they are not illegal any longer, and hence tolerated. As soon as a decision is made to deport them they are illegal if they stay and will not be tolerated no matter what they do.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mexico is deporting illegal migrants at the highest rate since 2006, and has deployed the military on their southern border: https://www.teledoce.com/telemundo/internacionales/mexico-au... The E.U. tightened their border control policies after a wave of terrorist attacks and upsurge in far-right political activity. We ran the experiment, and it turns out that's what happens when you let in millions of people with lit…
1) I think if you re-read my comment you'll notice that the issue with the US policy isn't loose borders, it's unethical treatment of people who make it _past_ the border. 2) Mexico's deportations are just as unethical as the US ones.
The main issue with the US policy is that states doesn't follow it, leaving millions of undocumented immigrants in the country. The correct course of action is to document undocumented immigrants and then keep track of them while you decide if they are allowed to stay or not, not to try to hide them like many American states do.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an American citizen who is happy to see the law enforced. I don't live in Atherton or Palo Alto. There were two Central American gang-related shootings near my family's home last week; there were two MS-13 murders in the broader area earlier this year. I grew up here, and it didn't used to be like this. I want to see those who come here illegally, or who have been denied refugee status as the result of due proces…
I believe a [citation needed] is required for the claim that US immigration policy is "internationally conventional". There is of course enormous variance in how countries handle immigration, but the ethical and conventional policy could be summarized as: 1. Border enforcement. Ie, try to prevent people from entering illegally 2. Tolerance for those who are illegally present (2) Means that a person who emigrated ille…
Most countries in eu (if not all) dont give birth-right citizenship. So i dont know if your arguments hold true. Usa is one of the few countries which does that.
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#150I'm mixed on this. I hired a former CIA analyst a few years ago. Part of his job at the CIA was to contribute to the daily briefings provided to president Obama. I asked him how he felt about the ethics of spying on American citizens. He said I wouldn't believe the number of threats that were prevented on a daily basis because of the tools and data they have access to. He said they don't share the information about w…
In communities like HN there is always been a belief that compromising privacy is not actually required to keep people safe. Whilst I generally agree with this, I don't think it is set in stone. The threat could evolve to the point where this kind of tech is the only realistic method of detection at scale. That would be a scary world to live in. We would loose our privacy and eventually our security as attackers evolve. This could happen, but probably won't because terrorists are still very limited in numbers and talent.