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Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by nvrspyx »

cameronbrown wrote: post #133
iforgotpassword wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This trend will continue until Linux Desktop people stop underestimating what users actually do with computers. Nothing. They use apps on their Linux phones, or happily use any OS that runs a browser since everything is web based today. Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline. The only people remaining dependent on desktops (or laptops) will be…

> Oh and for gaming there is consoles of course, which crushes the PC gaming market in pretty much any discipline. PC overtook console gaming in terms of revenue over five years ago. There's a vastly more players on PC nowadays. https://www.pcr-online.biz/2014/04/25/pc-games-have-surpasse...

Except it's almost entirely Dota 2, LoL, and exploitative F2P games that make up those market figures. The only thing this indicates is that the mobile gaming culture is extending to the PC. Personally, I wouldn't really flaunt these numbers as PC being having more revenue for most developers, just the lucky few that have their games run on low-end hardware and/or use exploitative tactics.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

asveikau wrote: post #209
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #196

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I, for one, don't miss it. Linux Desktop evangelists are horrifically annoying people to deal with because they look down on everyone, believing themselves superior for using it. Tell them Linux doesn't work for what you're doing and they'll say you should change what you're doing, tell them it is missing essential functionality for you and they'll insist you don't need it, tell them you don't like the way parts of t…

I think your comment itself is a little presumptuous of motives and commits some of what you accuse others of doing. But that aside. The free unix-like desktop has a lot of choices to be made, and one person's setup isn't going to be the same as another's. To me, that is the opposite of looking down on somebody for what they use, if we all agree that these are legitimate choices. And there is a little bit of a spirit…

I don't have a problem with people who use Linux Desktop, they have their reasons for their choices just as I do, many of which I would agree with[0]. My problem is with evangelists, people seeking to convert others to their chosen religion of Linux Desktop. Unfortunately because Linux Desktop users have a lot of overlap with Linux Desktop developers these attitudes still pervade the community. Case in point, how often do you hear a variation on the phrase "normal users don't need that"?

[0] and in fact I have a higher quantity of my devices running a Linux Desktop than I do Windows, but my main rig is Windows and that's unlikely to change for many reasons.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by shawnz »

hrktb wrote: post #200
shawnz wrote: post #130

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It was a "build VM" running the client edition of Windows. Do you install Ubuntu Desktop on your build VMs and expect Firefox not to be bundled?

TBF it costs licensing money, like twice as much. Yes, I know, it could be chalked up as cost of doing business, I’m just saying it’s a different question than just choosing between free linux distros for a VM.

Agreed, I'm not saying that everyone needs to be using Windows Server for every build task, I'm just saying that it's silly to complain about Windows client being engineered for clients by default. If you're knowingly going to take that cost-cutting measure then you ought to accept that the default config will have to be tuned for your use case.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by Narishma »

pmikesell wrote: post #206
asveikau wrote: post #150

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What do you mean keep a spare machine for emergencies? Some of us have always had them as primaries, rather than leaving that world. 20 years ago, the type of person analogous to a typical HN type would have been on Linux. Thread after thread on places like Slashdot started from a position of Linux advocacy as a common baseline. Then in the early 2000s there was a massive shift to Mac among those types. Personally, I…

Everything you say is true, but I also remember every time slashdot would publish browser usage percentages it was something like 70% IE. visible perception did not match reality, even then.

How much of that was people accessing the site from their workplace? IE was mandatory in many places back then.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by la_barba »

gmueckl wrote: post #142
jimmaswell wrote: post #115

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I wonder if WINE will ever be enough to cover all these cases. Though the cost of Windows licenses is generally trivial for businesses and they want support. I don't know how good RHEL for Workstations is but maybe that'd get more adoption in business if WINE was perfect and that desktop experience was as good as/better than Win10, or even had a DE made to be as similar as possible to Win10 to make it easier for empl…

How can WINE ever be as good as Windows when it is forever doomed to play catchup with a vast team of developers and decades of secret compatibility hacks that make Windows behave differently for different applications on purpose? I know that the hacks exist in a special shim layer and Windows has a database of applications that require certain sets of shims enabled. But details like an actual documentation of the in…

Well the WINE folks have their heart in the right place, but its not really a good idea to re-implement a proprietary API for the purposes of binary compatibility. In any case, it makes sense for Windows Version N+1 to ensure compatibility with buggy applications that worked in Windows Version N. From an end-user standpoint I would hope all operating systems invest resources in ensuring application compatibility.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by specktr »

penagwin wrote: post #80
specktr wrote: post #59

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I meant no disrespect, I'm/was curious to know about your experience with windows. Personally I use linux distros 95% of the time and notice a significant increase in battery life and decrease in ram/cpu utilization compared to when using windows on the same system. ~8Gb (or more) vs 2.4Gb for the ram and 80% cpu utilization vs 10-15%. I'm curious how much of that difference is the background processes installing can…

That's interesting, most people (myself included) usually find poorer battery life on laptops, often substantially worse. The reasoning boils down to power management, but using linux cuts an hour or two off my laptop's battery life.

Originally I had terrible battery performance like what you are describing. I have a dell xps 15 9560 with a 97Wh battery. With bumblebee installed with proprietary nvidia gpu drivers I can get all day battery life no problem (easily 10+ hours of active usage). The same cannot be said for when its booted into the windows partition. Yes this is because of the gpu settings but why would windows need to utilize it with everyday tasks like google docs or casually browsing the web? It took some work to get the battery under control but after I did some reading about drivers and bumblebee I didn't have any problems. Been on this install for a bit over a year now without any show stopping issues.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by II2II »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #196
asveikau wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean keep a spare machine for emergencies? Some of us have always had them as primaries, rather than leaving that world. 20 years ago, the type of person analogous to a typical HN type would have been on Linux. Thread after thread on places like Slashdot started from a position of Linux advocacy as a common baseline. Then in the early 2000s there was a massive shift to Mac among those types. Personally, I…

I, for one, don't miss it. Linux Desktop evangelists are horrifically annoying people to deal with because they look down on everyone, believing themselves superior for using it. Tell them Linux doesn't work for what you're doing and they'll say you should change what you're doing, tell them it is missing essential functionality for you and they'll insist you don't need it, tell them you don't like the way parts of t…

> Linux Desktop evangelists are horrifically annoying people to deal with

Agreed, and I am a Linux user. I would much rather spend my time with people who are interested in using Linux rather than promoting it. The discussions are much more meaningful. Besides, evangelists from one side tends to attract evangelists from the other side (with each side being as bad as the other). Once that happens, annoying advocacy tends to transform into belittling bickering.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by godelski »

Filligree wrote: post #118
marcosdumay wrote: post #109

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> I do wish Nvidia drivers were better Get AMD. Why do people insist on getting Nvidia cards and then complain that those aren't aimed at them? Get the one that is selling to you.

Because you simply can't do much ML experimentation on AMD; it lacks the entire CUDA ecosystem. I'm sorely tempted to run two GPUs, but also worried they'll probably clash.

I am interested to see ROCm. AMD has the contact for the exascale machines and there's a big push for ML at the DOE. So I hope there's some real competition coming (looks like it's already integrated into pytorch btw)

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by la_barba »

shawnz wrote: post #125
skrebbel wrote: post #57

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But why IE? Why not Edge? IE hasn't been the default browser for years. And iirc Edge shows some shitty news feed "new tab" screen (without ads). It's still crap, but less crap than msn.com :-)

I suspect it actually was Edge and the OP didn't realize

It was IE. I'd have to hand my nerd card in if I couldn't tell the difference :P

They probably did some hacky shit like

CreateObject("WScript.Shell").Run "cmd /k C:\Progra~1\Intern~1\iexplore.exe" & Blah

and then forgot to set Blah, or it used to be set but somehow got unset in a later update script, etc.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by swinglock »

creeble wrote: post #143
jtdev wrote: post #6

A related observation: I have between 4-8 *nix, MacOS, iOS, machines running on my home network at any given time. I’m using piHole (with base config) to block ad traffic. My blocked percentage hovers around ~10%... until I boot up my one Windows 10 machine, which spikes the blocked ad traffic to ~25% and remains that high -with zero applications running mind you - until I shutdown the machine, after which it quickly…

Similar experience here. Not to mention the seemingly-continuous/mysterious "update bandwidth". When I boot up a Windows machine at my vacation condo with a 2Mbps DSL line (okay, yeah, but it's all I can get), it sucks it completely dry for an hour or more, with nothing about updates or anything meaningful appearing on the Windows screen at all. What's it doing? Who knows. edit: clarity

Windows 10 has a P2P Windows Update service, maybe that's it. Look under the Delivery Optimization settings.
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