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Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by pault »

asveikau wrote: post #150
Razengan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps we should all keep and maintain a Linux machine in the event that Apple and Microsoft both decide to screw us over.

What do you mean keep a spare machine for emergencies? Some of us have always had them as primaries, rather than leaving that world. 20 years ago, the type of person analogous to a typical HN type would have been on Linux. Thread after thread on places like Slashdot started from a position of Linux advocacy as a common baseline. Then in the early 2000s there was a massive shift to Mac among those types. Personally, I…

It seems that GP forgot to include the sarcasm flag.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by asveikau »

ryanianian wrote: post #94
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #90

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Why not? We live in a world where the latest processor from Intel still boots into 16 bit real mode, and we have emulators and virtual machines.

There is a real cost to supporting old architectures and associated risk in telling users they can run production workloads on them.

When a big company explains away how they are not doing something because of engineering resource constraints, put your skeptic's hat on, it's likely an exaggeration.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by Someone1234 »

cesarb wrote: post #167
Someone1234 wrote: post #104

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> which only run in IE for whatever reason. Java Applets (and Flash) were built on the NPAPI APIs (as "plug-ins"). Historically NPAPI was supported by every major browser. NPAPI/Plug-ins are insecure/cannot be sandboxed. After Flash died, browsers quickly dropped NPAPI support (namely Opera 2016, Chrome in 2015, Firefox in 2017, Safari in 2018, etc) and Edge never supported it. Internet Explorer is the only browser w…

> Internet Explorer is the only browser with a large install-base that still supports NPAPI and by extension Java Applet. I though plugins on Internet Explorer used ActiveX, not NPAPI. Wikipedia agrees with me ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPAPI ): "Internet Explorer versions 3 through 5.5 SP2 supported NPAPI [...] Support came via a small ActiveX control (named "plugin.ocx") that acted as a shim [...] Microsoft dr…

Changed one word to resolve.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by mschuster91 »

wtallis wrote: post #138
TylerE wrote: post #127

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Because both times I bought an AMD (ATI at the time) card, it failed prematurely (out of warranty, but < 2 years of life) and the drivers sucked balls.

Where are you buying graphics cards with less than two years of warranty? If your GPU budget is that slim, you should probably be relying on integrated GPUs.

Probably in every place that is not the European Union which mandates 2 year warranties. Rest of the world iirc is 1-year.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by iforgotpassword »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #155
iforgotpassword wrote: post #146

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> Somehow I doubt Android is what Linux Desktop evangelists imagined. You must be confusing Android with a desktop OS. It's mobile so they don't fall into the desktop category at all. Which was exactly my point: they simply don't need a desktop OS anymore. > Apparently that doesn't include Linux That reads like you're looking at some statistics that show that 0% of desktop users run Linux. Care pointing to it? > And…

Alright, ignoring everything else, here's what you said: > Seems to me that DirectX is the last remaining barrier to finally getting the majority of the Windows user base to migrate to Linux. To which my point was simply "you are very wrong". As far as I can tell, you agree that there are a lot more barriers to moving to Linux from Windows than just DirectX (again, if that were true why haven't office workers moved?…

The point I'm trying to make is that the desktop will continue to lose relevance, while web based apps become prevalent. To a point where it's not "this doesn't run on Linux" but rather "I'll use whatever is in reach" (since all you need is Chrome), which as of now happens to be Windows mostly. So it's shifting from Linux being unable to serve your needs to it simply not being the default, or not being what people are used to. Which is something that shouldn't be underestimated when trying to predict how things are going to play out in the long run.

Obviously there's gonna be special software in certain fields that's going to be around for quite a while, like the pharma example from this other reply, but even there the point was rather that upgrading from the XP version is too expensive....

And ultimately the question is at which point maintaining or even improving Windows becomes economically unfeasible. With Windows 10 being "the final Windows" there was already a big shift in paradigm. Microsoft is very busy expanding in the cloud/SaaS business, so it's not like they don't see how Windows might lose relevance over time. This in turn sends signals to software vendors who still make software that requires desktop machines.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by pault »

ashleyn wrote: post #121
jtdev wrote: post #6

A related observation: I have between 4-8 *nix, MacOS, iOS, machines running on my home network at any given time. I’m using piHole (with base config) to block ad traffic. My blocked percentage hovers around ~10%... until I boot up my one Windows 10 machine, which spikes the blocked ad traffic to ~25% and remains that high -with zero applications running mind you - until I shutdown the machine, after which it quickly…

Windows Defender's realtime protection in Windows 10 is also terrible. Practically monopolises an entire core at all times. To make things worse, you cannot permanently disable it without a GPO. And Microsoft is known to keep taking GPOs out of Pro.

It's light-years better than the Symantec garbage my employer force installs on every machine. It literally takes over thirty seconds to open vscode, compared to less than five without it. Every single operation, from reading an email to opening a file takes a factor of 5-10x longer than it should. It makes me want to scream. I tried to tamper with it once in a fit of rage and got permanently booted off the network. That was an awkward visit to the IT office.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by yellowapple »

Microsoft's hard-on for shoving ads down its users' throats is exactly why the only versions of Windows I'll touch nowadays (and probably ever again) are the following:

- Windows 2000 and prior releases - Windows 10 LTSC (formerly LTSB) - Windows Server

And this would be only in cases where Windows is absolutely necessary; otherwise, why take that risk when Linux (and more recently OpenBSD) has been nice and good to me as a daily driver for 10 years now?

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by Jach »

blihp wrote: post #170
marcosdumay wrote: post #109

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> I do wish Nvidia drivers were better Get AMD. Why do people insist on getting Nvidia cards and then complain that those aren't aimed at them? Get the one that is selling to you.

Because until recently, on Linux AMD's driver story hasn't been good and performance has lagged. The driver situation is improving but it will take time to win people back. It also doesn't help that they don't (yet) have a Ryzen-like story on GPUs.

Does the new driver architecture support controlling fan speed yet? I've been on both team green and team red, and not being a purist I have just used their proprietary drivers. It wasn't until AMD shifted to their new driver architecture (with most people suggesting to use the "high quality" open source one that required baking firmware into my kernel (I run Gentoo)) and I had so many issues with both the new open source one and proprietary one that I accelerated my time-to-update-card timeline and went back to NVidia, emerged nvidia-drivers, and have never had a problem since. Nvidia has been rock-solid for me on Linux (even when I first had an old card in 2009-2012 or so) using their proprietary drivers. There's also the continuing fact that while you can get 2 AMDs to match the performance (and cost) of one Nvidia, I'd rather just have the one card every time.

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by FullMetalBitch »

jtdev wrote: post #6

A related observation: I have between 4-8 *nix, MacOS, iOS, machines running on my home network at any given time. I’m using piHole (with base config) to block ad traffic. My blocked percentage hovers around ~10%... until I boot up my one Windows 10 machine, which spikes the blocked ad traffic to ~25% and remains that high -with zero applications running mind you - until I shutdown the machine, after which it quickly…

I have two windows 10 behind pihole with over 1.051.698 domains blocked and I am rarely over 10%

Re: Anomalous CPU utilization on Windows build node caused by ads

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #185
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, ignoring everything else, here's what you said: > Seems to me that DirectX is the last remaining barrier to finally getting the majority of the Windows user base to migrate to Linux. To which my point was simply "you are very wrong". As far as I can tell, you agree that there are a lot more barriers to moving to Linux from Windows than just DirectX (again, if that were true why haven't office workers moved?…

The point I'm trying to make is that the desktop will continue to lose relevance, while web based apps become prevalent. To a point where it's not "this doesn't run on Linux" but rather "I'll use whatever is in reach" (since all you need is Chrome), which as of now happens to be Windows mostly. So it's shifting from Linux being unable to serve your needs to it simply not being the default, or not being what people ar…

> The point I'm trying to make is that the desktop will continue to lose relevance, while web based apps become prevalent. To a point where it's not "this doesn't run on Linux" but rather "I'll use whatever is in reach" (since all you need is Chrome), which as of now happens to be Windows mostly. So it's shifting from Linux being unable to serve your needs to it simply not being the default, or not being what people are used to. Which is something that shouldn't be underestimated when trying to predict how things are going to play out in the long run.

Ok, in this scenario, why would I choose Linux? Linux is literally irrelevant if "all you need is Chrome" (among the more dystopian futures I can imagine for computing, btw). Chrome is the platform then and everything is just a Chromebook. In this scenario no one reaches for Linux, they just buy some horrible proprietary locked down no-user-serviceable-parts thing like they do with phones and personal computing is declared dead.

I don't buy that that is true anyway. People have been predicting the death of desktop PCs for a long time too and it still hasn't happened. Cloud is just the latest in the thin-client/fat-client cycle of hyped up computer industry bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

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