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Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Possibly interesting, but the writing style makes me question if the facts aren't over-exagerrated or twisted to fit the narration.

For instance, the polonaise attributed to Kosciuszko might have been composed by someone else. Wikipedia reports the composition as fact, but https://polishmusic.usc.edu/research/dances/polonaise/ suggests otherwise.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Neither :). It’s a pretty hard word for people outside Poland. I would say it’s pronounced more like “Kosh-choosh-kuh”. It still won’t be perfect, but close enough.

These kind of shenanigans are exactly why Mr. Karadžić [1] pushed for an orthographic alphabet in Serbia, and why it quickly got adopted by neighbors as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87

The Cyrillic alphabet is even simpler and clearer, but apparently too orthodox for Catholics.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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> .. Kosciuszko. Nor can you spell it or pronounce it; ... Then the rest of the article misspells it by dropping the Z! As mentioned, it's also the name of Australia's highest mountain[0]. Named by the explorer Strzelecki. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kosciuszko

Mawson Peak has a claim as Australia's highest mountain.

Wikipedia claims that there are three Australian mountains higher than Mount Kosciuszko, but two of them are on land that only a few countries recognise as Australian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawson_Peak

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Most Amercans would be suprised to hear but US presidential election system had been influenced by Polish royal election rules. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-how-and...

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages

Although, not absolutely incorrect, it nevertheless sounds like a myth-making here. PLC (which is btw a modern, recently introduced term, the country was literally called Res Publica, Rzecz Pospolita in Polish) started as a union of Polish Kingdom where Polish predictably dominated, and Grand Duchy of Lithuania where Ruthenian was the language of state affairs. Ruthenian is also called Old Belarusian by Belarusians, and Old Ukrainian by Ukrainians and both are correct, because it's all more or less the same language at that time (modern Ukrainian, and Belarusian are still more mutually intelligible then different varieties of German). As eastern, and southern parts of the country were repeatedly thrashed by Russians, and Ottoman Empire, Poland became a dominant part (not the only reason, but I'm trying to be short), so Polish gradually gained the top position as the language of aristocracy, and politics all over the PLC, while other languages receded to unofficial home/family spheres, sometimes keeping official niches at municipal level. German, save for Prussian, and East Baltic lands, was in a very narrow use mostly because it was a sort of international language of Baltic trade, and Latin, as everywhere in Europe, was the language of education, and science. Then there were a number of ethnic, and religious groups such as Jews, Roma, Armenians which had some degree of self-government, so their languages where used in respective communities, but never had state-wide acceptance. Btw, it was not Hebrew which Jews spoke there, it was Yiddish which is very much a different thing. So the talk about 'officially recognized languages' is a little bit misleading as it can make an incorrect impression there were some sort of legal equality. And certainly PLC was polyethnic, with significant cultural variations, but majority of big medieval states in Europe were so. It's an interesting part of European history, with its own unique features, but I don't think making it too sugary makes any sense.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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That's an overly romanticized view. Moving long distances was slow and/or expensive. There was little in the way of international banking, so if you wanted to have money in your new home, you had to bring gold or silver or sell other things. If you were robbed, you were pretty much out of luck -- insofar as there were police forces, they weren't much concerned about foreigners. It's true that you now have to cope wit…

Well yes, I understand that this is the price of increased convenience for an average person. I simply feel that there's a certain sense of irony in those new barriers been erected as the old ones fall. Now it's harder to pull a Kosciuszko but easier to post pictures of your vacation on instagram, that's the trade-off here.

Before if someone traveled half way around the world to enter your country you let them in because clearly they were rich or industrious enough to get there in the first place. The deadbeats were excluded by the difficulty of actually traveling. Taxes were minimal and services were minimal so if you let a bunch of poors or refugees or whatever in and half of them did nothing productive it was no big deal either way. Now that any deadbeat can travel across the world and literacy/information is widely available (so the poor in country A know how good things are in country B) many nations have social safety nets countries try to pick and choose who gets in.

Edit: And before anyone thinks they're gonna score cheap virtue points by calling me racist/classist, I'm not using "deadbeat" as a dog whistle for any group(s). I'm talking about people who will be a net negative (definition is ever changing and subject to politics and whatnot) if they stay permanently.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Another similar figure was Pułaski. Came to America in similar circumstances, achievements included the saving of George Washington's life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski

Puławski była kobietą... :-) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/science/casimir-pulaski-i...

That's awesome! One thing I want Poland to have is to have more of these types of heros, to challenge their views and help them to shed their stereotypes. Poland's becoming too conservative lately. Great news for intersex people too, they can be proud.

BTW, another interesting thing about Pułaski is the sizable inheritance he left behind. The land that later Chicago and perhaps Philadelphia was built on. Would be worth trillions now. Nobody claimed it.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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American pilot volunteers fighting along Poland during Polish-Bolschevik war of 1920 named their squadron after Kościuszko.

Polish Squadron 303 fighting during Battle of Britain had been continuing traditions of American Pilots.

> Perhaps the most famous successor to the original Kościuszko Squadron would be the World War II No. 303 "Kościuszko" Polish Fighter Squadron (Warszawski im. Tadeusza Kościuszki), the most successful fighter squadron in the Battle of Britain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_7th_Air_Escadrille

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Puławski była kobietą... :-) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/science/casimir-pulaski-i...

That's awesome! One thing I want Poland to have is to have more of these types of heros, to challenge their views and help them to shed their stereotypes. Poland's becoming too conservative lately. Great news for intersex people too, they can be proud. BTW, another interesting thing about Pułaski is the sizable inheritance he left behind. The land that later Chicago and perhaps Philadelphia was built on. Would be wor…

> Poland's becoming too conservative lately.

It is more like Poland is becoming rapidly progressive and the conservatives are making noisy last stand :-)

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Lafayette Square across from the White House has a statue of Jackson in the middle. (A duplicate of the one in Jackson Square in New Orleans.) The corners have statues of European-born heroes of the revolution. From SE around to NE, they are of Lafayette, Rochambeau, Von Steuben, and Kosciusko.

There is a statue of Pulaski not far away, about Pennsylvania and 12th NW.

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