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Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

Yeah, I fully agree. This was in the back of my mind while writing the previous comment too. It's also why think it's important to acknowledge it, since that might help people become aware that we're not doing things right. Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). It's not just the business th…

> Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR).

I wrote a feedback mechanism in an Android application that we made at work. There's a space for users to write their feedback, but of course we collect other information about their system and what they've done in our application. In the feedback dialog, I implemented an expandy thing that shows you all of the data that will be sent, and even has a checkbox next to each line item so the user can choose not to send that data. I showed my boss and he was like, "wow, that's transparent of you" and was blown away by the checkbox feature. Meanwhile I considered it really impolite to do otherwise.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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techcrunch is using oauth, one of the absolute worst offenders. They should be banned from hn altogether.

I assume you're referring to the media company 'oath'[1] not the auth framework 'oauth'[2]? [1]: https://www.oath.com/ [2]: https://oauth.net/

My bad, I've read it incorrectly. It's Oath.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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remember this idea how weird it is that everybody runs around with spying equipment, you have a always-online device with multiple cameras and microphones. I think people would be uncomfortable knowing that someone was listening or recording video without their knowledge, that's why people put stickers on their laptop cameras. I think its obvious by now that manufacturers aren't capable of developing software that keeps the cameras/microphones secured. In the future we can just assume that any camera/mic in any phone is recording at any given moment and sending it to some malicious entity. Since there is no practical way of disabling the cameras/mics on phones, we just have to learn to live with it.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Yeah, I fully agree. This was in the back of my mind while writing the previous comment too. It's also why think it's important to acknowledge it, since that might help people become aware that we're not doing things right. Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). It's not just the business th…

> Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). I wrote a feedback mechanism in an Android application that we made at work. There's a space for users to write their feedback, but of course we collect other information about their system and what they've done in our application. In the feedback dia…

That's pretty awesome. And great that your boss thought this was a good idea too.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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remember this idea how weird it is that everybody runs around with spying equipment, you have a always-online device with multiple cameras and microphones. I think people would be uncomfortable knowing that someone was listening or recording video without their knowledge, that's why people put stickers on their laptop cameras. I think its obvious by now that manufacturers aren't capable of developing software that ke…

Durr, what is a hardware switch?

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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For me the most annoying bit is how it’s impossible to do any action others than accepting or declining the call on the iPhone. It’s basicall a phone DOS.

This happens to me on Android as well and it has always been like this. Would love to know why a phone call needs to block all other actions except accept/reject a call.

To be fair, the device is nominally a telephone with a few extra bells and whistles.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I've found that it's pretty easy to get people to inadvertently accept FaceTime calls if you continuously spam them. (I was on the receiving end of this attack.) Here's how it works. 1- It's very easy and instantaneous to redial someone on FaceTime if they decline your call. You can just spam the call button and the target will get a continuous ring, basically. 2- Even if they turn on Do Not Disturb, many people have…

• Go into Airplane mode.

• Tweak whatever settings you need (like disabling DND Repeated Calls) to let you block that person.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I have a series two Apple Watch and while the app shows up I was unable to get it to work back when I tried. I didn’t care that much so I just tried a couple times and gave up.

Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I tried to make it work with my friends and for some reason, I could never get it to set up.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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For me the most annoying bit is how it’s impossible to do any action others than accepting or declining the call on the iPhone. It’s basicall a phone DOS.

This happens to me on Android as well and it has always been like this. Would love to know why a phone call needs to block all other actions except accept/reject a call.

Huh. What manufacturer? When unlocked, stock Android has had incoming calls as a notification rather than whole screen for years.

When screen is locked it is probably still full screen.

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