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Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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If you would like to force this update you can do so via the terminal: softwareupdate -ia --include-config-data It will show up as MRTConfigData if you look under Apple Menu->About This Mac->System Report->Software->Installations. The latest version is 1.45 and was updated today which includes the Zoom mitigations.

This also install a lot of stuff people may not want to. You can install only the designated package with : softwareupdate -i MRTConfigData_10_14-1.45 --include-config-data

> MRTConfigData

If I'm correct MRT stands for Malware Removal Tool.

I'd feel pretty bad if anything I worked on had to be uninstalled by that.

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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There are reports there was another RCE that Zoom didn’t/wouldn’t fix. This is what Gatekeeper and the built-in anti-malware engine is suppose to do — remove malware. If you don’t want this feature, you can turn it off, but this is a sane default and a good thing. Apple didn’t flex anything here, it removed malware from its users computers. https://twitter.com/riskybusiness/status/1148824808236318721

If "malware" is going to include any software with security bugs, then Gatekeeper should just rm -rf the whole drive.

Zoom was literally reinstalling itself after being uninstalled. It's basically the definition of malware.

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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post #386

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Has anyone ever asked bus companies to start hunting pedestrians for sport? The answer is clearly no. Contrary to that, the demands from governments and others for tech companies to "take responsibility" and become enforcers of all sorts of perceived virtues is reaching a crescendo. And it's not just about clearly dangerous things like child porn or terrorism. The UK government seriously demands the takedown of "harm…

I still have a lot of trouble seeing how Apple removing a critical vulnerability - a completely mundane act with plenty of precedent from both Apple and others - is some clarion call that, if left unheeded, will have Siri judging everyone's hentai collection next. Why this - preventing myriads of users from becoming campeople - of all things? Why not, say, every Chrome autoupdate ever?

The problem is that Apple appears to have made an exception to its own rules in this particular case. If I understand correctly, they used a first party system update mechanism to change third party software.

It's like Google making an ad hoc decision to use Chrome autoupdate to silently patch a particularly bad vulnerability in Microsoft Word just because they can.

So what is the principle behind this kind of exception? It's simply this: If it's bad enough, normal rules can be suspended and anything goes. It's like declaring a state of emergency. It's not normal or mundane.

Now the question becomes what is bad enough and who gets to decide what is bad enough? People will point to incidents like this and ask questions like: Why was the San Bernardino attack not bad enough for Apple to suspend its ususal rules? Why can people store tons of pirated music on their Macs without Apple taking action? Why does Apple allow criminals to hide behind end-to-end encrypted messaging software?

If Apple has decided to take responsibility for the security of all third party software on macOS then they should say so. They should change the rules instead of breaking them in an ad hoc fashion.

Then we can all decide whether or not we want to hand total control to Apple (and to those who have control over Apple).

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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This also install a lot of stuff people may not want to. You can install only the designated package with : softwareupdate -i MRTConfigData_10_14-1.45 --include-config-data

> MRTConfigData If I'm correct MRT stands for Malware Removal Tool. I'd feel pretty bad if anything I worked on had to be uninstalled by that.

Well, it’s literally malware.

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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This means there might have been another side to this story: Zoom's change of heart might have been forced by Apple, not the public backlash. Apple: Hey, your app poses a threat to macOS security. We're going to remove your server app with the built-in macOS anti-virus. Zoom: Oh crap. Okay, give us 2 sprints to release a new version that removes it. Apple: We're killing it in 48 hours. ... Zoom, after an all-nighter:…

HN 2 hours since story broke: rm -rf ~/.zoomus

That doesn't solve the problem because the webserver continues to run even if you have uninstalled Zoom.

Source: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-...

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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post #386

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I still have a lot of trouble seeing how Apple removing a critical vulnerability - a completely mundane act with plenty of precedent from both Apple and others - is some clarion call that, if left unheeded, will have Siri judging everyone's hentai collection next. Why this - preventing myriads of users from becoming campeople - of all things? Why not, say, every Chrome autoupdate ever?

The problem is that Apple appears to have made an exception to its own rules in this particular case. If I understand correctly, they used a first party system update mechanism to change third party software. It's like Google making an ad hoc decision to use Chrome autoupdate to silently patch a particularly bad vulnerability in Microsoft Word just because they can. So what is the principle behind this kind of except…

The problem is that Apple appears to have made an exception to its own rules in this particular case. If I understand correctly, they used a first party system update mechanism to change third party software.

I don't see anything in the article that suggests this - as I read it, it pretty much says the opposite. What else have you read that outlined these rules and the exception Apple made?

Re: Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoom web server

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HN 2 hours since story broke: rm -rf ~/.zoomus

That doesn't solve the problem because the webserver continues to run even if you have uninstalled Zoom. Source: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-...

Quote: "Then you can delete the ~/.zoomus directory to remove the web server application files."
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