Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh • Hacker News Board

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 10:03 AM UTC

xenospn wrote: post #13

ultrarunner wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This used to be the case, and still is for laptop builds. For desktops, things are far more standardized now and Apple's hardware isn't much different than what is commercially available. A Z370/390 chipset with 7th-9th generation i5 or i7 processor coupled with AMD graphics and Broadcom wireless is pretty vanilla. The 7700k iMacs will be supported for a long time, so I have pretty high confidence that something with…

I'm actually somewhat surprised macOS does not check for the existence of a T2 chip as a precondition.

I expect that will happen once all the supported devices have a T2. That is probably some way off though as they are still selling new hardware without it, for example the recently updated iMacs.

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by rwmj » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 10:43 AM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #23

yumraj wrote: post #18

The one issue I've always had with Hackintosh, is that while the main OS is from Apple it invariably requires using some 3rd party bootloaders, kexts and other files. And, this to me always raises the issue of security and whether they contain, or can contain, any backdoors/malwares. Part of it could be my paranioa, but I never got a good answer to satisfy me.

How is that all that different from any other software you download? With 100s of dependencies any one of them could be malicious and just wait for the next privilege escalation attack and achieve the same persistence level as a malicious kernel module.

The major Linux distros have processes in place to both filter what goes in and handle security issues when they happen. If you have specific concerns then name them, but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by the8472 » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:30 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #42

the8472 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that all that different from any other software you download? With 100s of dependencies any one of them could be malicious and just wait for the next privilege escalation attack and achieve the same persistence level as a malicious kernel module.

The major Linux distros have processes in place to both filter what goes in and handle security issues when they happen. If you have specific concerns then name them, but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

Do you only run software available in distro packages?

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by rwmj » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:35 PM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #43

rwmj wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The major Linux distros have processes in place to both filter what goes in and handle security issues when they happen. If you have specific concerns then name them, but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

Do you only run software available in distro packages?

Given that I'm a Fedora packager, yes, or else software which I wrote myself.

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by GordonS » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:24 PM UTC

sys_64738 wrote: post #34

The finicky bits of a Hackintosh were always the trackpad support, wifi card, and longevity of the battery. I tried a hackintosh for a year but it felt like I was always tinkering with the config like you do/did with Linux installs.

I have Windows running on a MVP with Bootcamp - the track pad is horrible to the point of being unusable! When you tap/click, nothing happens until you move the cursor!

I swear Apple have done this on purpose...

If anyone has any tips on how to stop carrying a USB mouse and USB-C adapter around by actually making the track pad bearable, please do share.

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by la_barba » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:45 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #42

the8472 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that all that different from any other software you download? With 100s of dependencies any one of them could be malicious and just wait for the next privilege escalation attack and achieve the same persistence level as a malicious kernel module.

The major Linux distros have processes in place to both filter what goes in and handle security issues when they happen. If you have specific concerns then name them, but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

>but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

What if you download binaries from non-random, trusted websites? Seem to me that is the same as trusting a repo maintainer.

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by ryuukk_ » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:12 AM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #18

The one issue I've always had with Hackintosh, is that while the main OS is from Apple it invariably requires using some 3rd party bootloaders, kexts and other files. And, this to me always raises the issue of security and whether they contain, or can contain, any backdoors/malwares. Part of it could be my paranioa, but I never got a good answer to satisfy me.

they are all open source, you can build them yourself

but again, you are lazy, so why you even care ?

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by ryuukk_ » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:16 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #15

mlevental wrote: post #2

hubris https://i.imgur.com/z3E3rLY.png The problem with all of these builds is you're damning yourself to working on top shifting sands and either committing yourself to rooting around in Mac OS plumbing (which I'm sure isn't documented well or even wholly exposed) or hoping the community patches things.

Been running high sierra on a hackintosh for a couple years now. Of course, even my actual macbook is also on nvidia graphics (mid-2014), so next desktop will just jump over to Linux since Apple won't let Nvidia get drivers out.

correction:

NVIDIA refuse to allocate resources to support Metal 2

Since macOS shell now requires Metal 2, it makes even installing old version of the driver impossible

so yeah the bad guy is your lazy daddy NVIDIA

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by DanBC » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:17 AM UTC

scblock wrote: post #17

Interesting, but as a daily user of one of these Dell laptops, I would never do this. Its some of the worst hardware I've ever had the misfortune to use.

Wait what? The 7440 is a lovely laptop. What don't you like about it?

Re: Dell E7440 and E7240 Hackintosh

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Post by rwmj » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:48 AM UTC

la_barba wrote: post #46

rwmj wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The major Linux distros have processes in place to both filter what goes in and handle security issues when they happen. If you have specific concerns then name them, but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites.

>but downloading a Fedora or Debian install is in no way comparable to installing binaries from random filesharing websites. What if you download binaries from non-random, trusted websites? Seem to me that is the same as trusting a repo maintainer.

You omitted where I said distros "have processes in place". We can discuss whether the processes are adequate, but the situation itself is completely different from downloading binaries from websites, trusted or otherwise.