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Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by ladzoppelin »

ajford wrote: post #160
dna_polymerase wrote: post #106

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> Oh, they say my website has mobile access issues? But it is a bootstrap website optimized for mobile. Clicking on fix issue .... checking live version ... your site is mobile ready.. Same here. That a company with that amount of brainpower fails to deliver the very basic tools to partake in their market really baffles me.

From talking to a few ex-googlers, a lot of issues come from heavy incentives (and upwards momentum in employment level/compensation) tied to shipping a product/tool, while very little is tied to the maintenance/improvement of something existing. When combined with the ease of lateral movement (jumping from one team to another) means that a product gets shipped, then a lot of the team members jump onto the next shiny…

Ha, and now they need companies to invest in GCP.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by joshuamorton »

lubujackson wrote: post #134
lern_too_spel wrote: post #113

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> It's a monopolistic move to bully companies into handing over Google their content. That's nonsensical. Google already has their content. If anything, AMP is a democratizing technology. If you want your articles in Apple News, you have to integrate with Apple. Same with Facebook Instant Articles. With AMP, you don't have to integrate directly with anybody. Just publish AMP pages from using standard HTTP, and every…

What a bullshit, PR-speak comment. Let's compare this to digital piracy. Let's say I make a game and host it on my website. I am giving the game for free. Now maybe I have some ads in the game, maybe not. I want to get some exposure, so I ask a gaming site to link to my game (Google). At this point, everything is cool. I have a cool game, the gaming site has something to show people. Well, the gaming site is big busi…

But amp sites support analytics and ads. Literally every complaint you're making isn't based in reality.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by Engineering-MD »

joshuamorton wrote: post #182
lubujackson wrote: post #134

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What a bullshit, PR-speak comment. Let's compare this to digital piracy. Let's say I make a game and host it on my website. I am giving the game for free. Now maybe I have some ads in the game, maybe not. I want to get some exposure, so I ask a gaming site to link to my game (Google). At this point, everything is cool. I have a cool game, the gaming site has something to show people. Well, the gaming site is big busi…

But amp sites support analytics and ads. Literally every complaint you're making isn't based in reality.

I think the point is that it removes the locus on control about these things from the user to the dominate AMP provider.

I often find the issue with many things is a change in the locus of control. People feel less comfortable when it falls in another’s domain, and often these large players then take advantage of this.

The great thing about the old web which I think people miss is that it was (supposed to be at least, and initially was) decentralised. Every year the web becomes more centralised and in the control of large organisations.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by MrStonedOne »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #165
MrStonedOne wrote: post #141

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There is no way for a user to disable it on their phone. It causes news stories and blog spam to pop up before product pages or other non-"article" style pages. It basically shoe horns the internet into 1 type of page because if you don't have "article" style pages you don't have amp and don't have the higher ranking. Your getting downmodded because you completely missed the point here. People don't merely hate AMP.…

> It causes news stories and blog spam to pop up before product pages or other non-"article" style pages. Your whole issue with AMP seems to be not understanding that Google ranking pages badly has nothing to do with with AMP. Google, Baidu, Bing, and other link aggregators that implement AMP caches are free to rank pages however they like and still load AMP pages instantly. > Your getting downmodded because you comp…

No, you still ignored the point.

Google's behavior is what everybody from the linked article to the commenters here hates.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by lern_too_spel »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #173
lern_too_spel wrote: post #157

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> Multiple blogs I read sell RSS sponsorships Sponsorship is a poor substitute for subscriptions and ads. > RSS feeds are, you know, ultimately web pages, analytics are relatively trivial. No, the aggregator that shows the RSS results has no standard way of reporting to the publisher who viewed which RSS entries.

The publisher can absolutely get by with measuring how many people viewed which RSS entries, which this can absolutely deliver. Combined with other web metrics of the sort that non-privacy-invading analytics systems like GoAccess and OWA can deliver, there's more than enough information to determine the size of the audience, where they're located, when the most popular browsing times are, what devices they're using,…

> The publisher can absolutely get by with measuring how many people viewed which RSS entries, which this can absolutely deliver.

Wrong. The RSS entries are cached by the aggregators, and the publisher never sees how many people have seen them.

> It seems to me that you're arguing that publishers -- or in practice, ad networks -- are entitled to track the browsing habits of specific individuals, even if (theoretically) anonymized.

No. I'm saying that AMP takes less control away from publishers than RSS does, and all the complaints are about how AMP takes control from publishers to ruin the web, yet nobody here has complained about how RSS ruined the web. In either case, the system controlling the cache tracks everything.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by lern_too_spel »

dependenttypes wrote: post #175
lern_too_spel wrote: post #119

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Which takes away even more control from the publisher (no analytics, A/B testing support, monetization options, etc.) and doesn't support prerendering above the fold. I can't imagine the backlash RSS would get if Google came up with that.

If we end up missing out on anti-user options like the ones that you mentioned then RSS sounds great.

Tell that to the bozo who wrote the article, who finds AMP too restrictive already. RSS would make him apoplectic.

Also, there is nothing anti-user about prerendering less, saving battery and network bandwidth.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by MrStonedOne »

kspacewalk wrote: post #172
MrStonedOne wrote: post #139

As a user, I fucking hate searching on mobile google now. I was trying to find some information on something, can't remember what, and all I got on the first 3 pages were amp links to news sites talking about the thing, but nothing to do with the info I was looking for. I ended up opening duckduckgo and it was on the first page. Did google just forget that static article content does not exclusively make up the inter…

I'm with you on some of those, but having one bar for URLs and search is a) great from the point of view of usability and, b) inevitable. There's just no real estate for two perfectly combinable text boxes on mobile devices.

My argument was that AMP pages have a second url bar under the real url bar OR they have a fake url in the real url bar (see the new signed "Real URL" AMP pages system where the real address will be a google cdn url but the browser will instead show a different url then where it fetched it.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by lern_too_spel »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #185
lern_too_spel wrote: post #165

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> It causes news stories and blog spam to pop up before product pages or other non-"article" style pages. Your whole issue with AMP seems to be not understanding that Google ranking pages badly has nothing to do with with AMP. Google, Baidu, Bing, and other link aggregators that implement AMP caches are free to rank pages however they like and still load AMP pages instantly. > Your getting downmodded because you comp…

No, you still ignored the point. Google's behavior is what everybody from the linked article to the commenters here hates.

> Google's behavior

And what behavior is that? Providing a publishing standard that anybody can (and do) take advantage of, including their competitors, instead of requiring direct integration like Apple News?

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by nier »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #183
catacombs wrote: post #136

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Taboola is scum.

Why do you say that?

Never heard of them so I searched the web. Wikipedia says they also provide the Around the Web and Recommended For You boxes at the bottom of web pages. Haven’t read further, but I assume the reaction was prompted by them serving that lowest quality click bait made to look like page excerpts from the site you’re actually visiting.
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