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Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by dredmorbius »

Fnoord wrote: post #107
dredmorbius wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the FTC's definition of monopolization is strongly encouraged. It's more nuanced than is generally understood: As a first step, courts ask if the firm has "monopoly power" in any market. This requires in-depth study of the products sold by the leading firm, and any alternative products consumers may turn to if the firm attempted to raise prices. Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintaine…

OP wrote: > I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. While FTC's definition of monopolization is interesting, its of particular relevance in the USA. Different legal definitions will apply of Brazil (where OP appears to be from) or EU or The Netherlands (latter 2 where I'm from). Other countries where Portuguese is…

Understood.

Point being that even narrower US legal standards are much broader than frequently asserted online discussion states.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by sanbor »

Go to Google, seach "Dear Google, I'm Blocking You From My Website" (with our without the quotes). You will find this very page and other link-sharing networks. Go to Duck duck go and search "Dear Google, I'm Blocking You From My Website". Without quotes the results are nonsense. With quotes you get 0 results.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by lubujackson »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #113
mateus1 wrote: post #18

Google once was a force for good by indexing pages and rewarding good content with SEO. I deeply hate AMP. It's a monopolistic move to bully companies into handing over Google their content.

> It's a monopolistic move to bully companies into handing over Google their content. That's nonsensical. Google already has their content. If anything, AMP is a democratizing technology. If you want your articles in Apple News, you have to integrate with Apple. Same with Facebook Instant Articles. With AMP, you don't have to integrate directly with anybody. Just publish AMP pages from using standard HTTP, and every…

What a bullshit, PR-speak comment.

Let's compare this to digital piracy. Let's say I make a game and host it on my website. I am giving the game for free. Now maybe I have some ads in the game, maybe not. I want to get some exposure, so I ask a gaming site to link to my game (Google). At this point, everything is cool. I have a cool game, the gaming site has something to show people.

Well, the gaming site is big business and I'm a little fish. So in the interest in serving their customers they decide to host the game themselves (AMP). Hey, I'm hosting it online for free anyway, right? And because they love their customers sooo much, they did a cool thing where they dig through my game's code and strip out any ads I might have. It turns out their customers love this feature! Ads are annoying after all.

Of course, if I don't like this hosting feature I can opt out of it. But if I do, they will take my game and tuck it waaaay at the bottom of their list (or just remove it completely).

The reality is way worse than this, though. Because I no longer know when anyone downloads my game from the gaming site or plays my game. Should I make another game like the last one? How would I even know? The gaming site says not to worry, they have some convenient code I can add to my game to keep track of this for me.

Ok, you say - well if you don't like this wonderful service of having your game taken and stripped down and its usage hidden from you, just opt-out of the gaming site. But it's the ONLY gaming site 95%+ people ever visit. And although there are some minor benefits of stability and speed to users, users ALSO can't opt out of this - they can't even get to my site to download the game anymore even if they want to.

So what started as a partnership between content and distribution, where everyone is happy, has degraded into the distribution channel completely owning the audience and taking every bit of control from the creators of the content.

Which leads us to: > It's a monopolistic move to bully companies into handing over Google their content.

So please, tell me again how AMP is "democratizing technology".

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by catacombs »

speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

> Google been proving to be a very poor business partner

The company is more parasite than a partner. It'll punish you severely without remorse for not following its rules. Good luck trying to open any kind of dialog.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by catacombs »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #68
amelius wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but there's a network effect here. If Google owns all the billboards in town, then you can't really find a better advertisement platform, no matter how skilled they are.

Sure, but Google doesn't own all the billboards in town. I regularly see pages with Taboola panels on the bottom.

Taboola is scum.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by runxel »

> As fewer results of such not-for-profit websites show up in Google Search, competition will be reintroduced to the search market. Sorry, you lost me there. Can anybody explain me please, how this is supposed to work? Because I think that can not work.

If you're not on Google, you have no outreach whatsoever... Just the classic Rumsfeld with his "unknowns" comes to my mind here.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by Tade0 »

speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow.

That would be truly something. After all your market is what, 200mln people?

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by MrStonedOne »

As a user, I fucking hate searching on mobile google now.

I was trying to find some information on something, can't remember what, and all I got on the first 3 pages were amp links to news sites talking about the thing, but nothing to do with the info I was looking for.

I ended up opening duckduckgo and it was on the first page.

Did google just forget that static article content does not exclusively make up the internet?

edit: I'm gonna re-post the rant I posted last time this came up:

> As a mobile user, I hate it.

> I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon

> I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user

> I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means

> I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars.

> I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick

> I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in the url bar just for this stupid fucking feature.

> I hate that we now have a system where somebody can share a page url with a friend, and that friend can view it on the same device model using the same browser with the same settings, and will get a different page because one was viewing an amp page but shared it's real url.

> I hate that every fucking amp page is lower featured in some way, and almost never works in desktop mode.

> And most of all, I hate that it leads to everybody offloading shit onto google's servers.

> AMP is not fast because it's served from google's CDN. AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by LaundroMat »

bryan_w wrote: post #48
speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

Have you tried FB ads?

It's as big of a UX nightmare as Google Ads.
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