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IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by oldpond »

la_barba wrote: post #280
oldpond wrote: post #277

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Not really. The IBM Academy reported that open source software was the single biggest threat to their business model, so they "invested" in Linux to keep their foot in the door. They've had mindshare at Apache and Redhat for almost 2 decades now. I don't think they'll make any money from that investment.

IBM is a consulting company, and the open source business model is all about consulting, so I don't know what threat you're referring to. In any case, while you may use air quotes, they invested actual hard cash at a time when Linux was struggling to gain a foothold and was not considered a serious UNIX challenger. I'm not saying Linux owes them everything, but it sure does help when a giant company like IBM backs yo…

I guess I should have said "When I was at IBM, the academy released a report, etc." No air quotes, required; I was there. I was on the open source community of practice core team at the time.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by trasz »

bluGill wrote: post #289
trasz wrote: post #223

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The biggest problem in "FreeBSD desktop" is not the "FreeBSD" part - that works pretty much fine.

I run a FreeBSD desktop. There are enough problems that I wouldn't install that for my family. Too many blank windows and the like (I suspect graphics driver issues but have no idea how to debug further)

I wouldn't install it for my family either, but I wouldn't do that with Linux either. It can be fine for chromebook-like usage, but not as the usual desktop.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by trasz »

dingu wrote: post #255
stirfrykitty wrote: post #241

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I like BSD-style init scripts; they are easy to work with and understand. I dislike this trend that systemd started. Pretty soon, everything will be a binary blob. This is one of the reasons I love OpenBSD--no binary blobs. OpenBSD runs great on most laptops with a few issues, but for the most part, I've had great success. It's very stable, easy to learn and use, and more importantly, secure. I want for nothing using…

People use systemd because it solves real problems that are not adequately solved by init scripts. Your "want for nothing" says more about your limited needs (which is fine) than anything else about system management services. Regardless of one's opinions or critiques about the implementation of systemd specifically, the idea that it came up in some kind of vacuum or started a "trend" is utterly ridiculous. Prior art…

In BSD, the init(8) binary doesn't do much regarding startup - basically just executes /etc/rc; it's shell scripts all the way afterwards, nothing hardcoded.

What exactly cannot be solved with init scripts?

Also, keep in mind that FreeBSD init scripts (which actually come from NetBSD as rcng) are very different from the SysV mess Linux used to use - they handle dependencies, have a sane way of configuring way, they don't reimplement features which ceased being useful in the eighties (runlevels) etc. They are also quite fast. This means the pressure to migrate off to something else is much lower.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by la_barba »

oldpond wrote: post #291
la_barba wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IBM is a consulting company, and the open source business model is all about consulting, so I don't know what threat you're referring to. In any case, while you may use air quotes, they invested actual hard cash at a time when Linux was struggling to gain a foothold and was not considered a serious UNIX challenger. I'm not saying Linux owes them everything, but it sure does help when a giant company like IBM backs yo…

I guess I should have said "When I was at IBM, the academy released a report, etc." No air quotes, required; I was there. I was on the open source community of practice core team at the time.

I still don't see your point or what you're disagreeing with. But anyway, thanks for your comment I guess. Have a nice day..

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

KUcxrAVrtI wrote: post #287
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #257

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You're underpaid at $200 an hour?

If I was making what my father was making at my age for doing the same job relative to the size of the economy at the time I should be getting paid 1.125 million. Yes $200/h is underpaid, it should be what people working at Walmart get paid.

And in the world where people in Walmart are paid $200 an hour, what price does Walmart sell a jar of pickles for?

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by rleigh »

bmicklea wrote: post #20
baybal2 wrote: post #13

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Yes, I am shocked too. Who will be developing the lion share of what makes "the Linux desktop?" If IBM wants to ever make money of this deal, the only way available for them is to kick everybody, but support people, and crank up fees to the max from big corporate clients. Ubuntu has certainly stole the crown of "the server linux" as being built on a more sound foundation, and being more conservative in bringing disru…

Red Hat's commitments to the open source projects it works on from linux, to kubernetes, to java, and many others will remain unchanged.

Unless those commitments are in the form of formal contracts, written down, then I would not place a great deal of faith in them. Unless they have legal obligations to abide by them, then IBM don't need to keep them.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by h1d »

tech_tuna wrote: post #274
jaboutboul wrote: post #26

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I sort of agree with this. Either Microsoft will purchase Ubuntu outright from Shuttleworth or they will just create Microsoft Linux, in whatever form that is, probably something more container focused than a general purpose OS.

I predict that Ubuntu, Hashicorp and/or Docker are acquired in the next year. I could see Microsoft acquiring any of them.

Leaving only Debian as an independent popular distro maker sounds bad for the game.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by h1d »

techntoke wrote: post #278
DocTomoe wrote: post #59

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> Red Hat's business model and open culture isn't changing. The old management maxim will hold true: If nothing will change, why fuck with the formula? Of course Redhat under Big Blue will change, considerably.

Red Hat culture hasn't been anything to brag about. They basically maintain an outdated version of Linux that companies only pay for to get support and shift liability, but there is nothing innovative about Red Hat Linux.

I guess that's how it looks for students.

Re: IBM Closes Acquisition of Red Hat for $34B

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Post by KUcxrAVrtI »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #295
KUcxrAVrtI wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was making what my father was making at my age for doing the same job relative to the size of the economy at the time I should be getting paid 1.125 million. Yes $200/h is underpaid, it should be what people working at Walmart get paid.

And in the world where people in Walmart are paid $200 an hour, what price does Walmart sell a jar of pickles for?

In real terms, exactly what it cost in 1980.
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