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Fully functional adults with perfect ("endless") memory

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Re: Fully functional adults with perfect ("endless") memory

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I've read about people having this ability in the past, but it was usually related to either brain damage or idiot savancy. I think scientists have just starting studying "normal" people with the ability.

I'm pretty sure Sherashevsky (studied in the early 1900s) falls into the 'normal' people category. He certainly had problems but would be a very high functioning idiot savant at absolute worst.

http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Mnemonist-Little-about-Memory/dp/...

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What surprises me (and makes me most skeptical) is that they can remember days by date. Did these people actually know what the date was every year of their lives? This implies to me that it is not just a camcorder-like memory that these people possess, but an efficient, numerical search ability on those memories. It makes me wonder how much one could duplicate this ability by purposefully associating numbers with da…

I agree.. Why did they keep saying "it was a Monday" or whatever? Seemed pretty random/uncalled for. Makes me think of they way things are organized in their brains.

I also wonder how they're not very high-performing and successful individuals. It seems to me an "endless" memory could be hugely beneficial, beyond the many (unethical) scheme they can exploit.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in high school, I could recite nearly 1,500 digits of pi from memory. This wasn't because I had number-memorizing superpowers, it was because I was a geek and I spent time memorizing numbers. If you look at interviews with top competitive mnemonists, you find very few who claim to have (let alone actually have) any sort of "photographic memory" or even autistic savantisms. It's just a mundane subject with…

I'm sorry to inform you, but you in fact do have number-memorizing superpowers (or, alternately, "focusing on task and persevering" superpowers).

I think the point he was trying to make is this: would you consider someone who could completely crush you at, say, basketball, to have "abnormal powers"?

I'm not talking pros, I'm talking about people who've played sports all their lives. They can probably beat most people at their chosen sports. And a lot of perfectly "normal/average" people are really good at one sport or another. We don't talk about them as if they're "abnormal".

Haven't done it, but I'm guessing that memorizing 1500 digits of pi is easier and less time consuming than getting to a decent level at some sport. Except that for most people, playing sport is fun, so they don't think about it as "extreme concentration". For the op, memorizing digits of pi was fun (I'm guessing?).

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post #25
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to inform you, but you in fact do have number-memorizing superpowers (or, alternately, "focusing on task and persevering" superpowers).

I think the point he was trying to make is this: would you consider someone who could completely crush you at, say, basketball, to have "abnormal powers"? I'm not talking pros, I'm talking about people who've played sports all their lives. They can probably beat most people at their chosen sports. And a lot of perfectly "normal/average" people are really good at one sport or another. We don't talk about them as if th…

agree. I really do think we sorta achieve what we choose. I think less of what we consider to be born with actually comes from our actions, which becomes habits, and workout those muscles in your brain?

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These people's "perfect" memories are purely autobiographical. They cannot memorize large lists of numbers quickly, or recite the entirety of The Bible from memory, or excel at any other task that requires rapid, verifiable memorization. Nothing about this is inconsistent with these people simply spending, for whatever reason, a considerable amount of effort to memorize and catalog the minutiae of their lives, but ot…

So what's the point, right? Do they use their skills in particularly useful ways?

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post #9

There are a couple of cool ways they could exploit their gift 1) Take a drug once, remember the feeling forever, any time you feel like it. 2) Betting games on past events. 3) All kinds of trivia on TV shows

Remembering the feeling of a drug, emotion or experience isn't the same as experiencing it. Also (trust me on this) regardless of how good your memory is, once you start drinking, smoking pot, taking acid, etc. it's not going to be quite the same for some time, if ever, as your habits of recall and storage will change.

Trivia TV shows, no doubt. But I bet even these people's memories have a limit.

Re: Fully functional adults with perfect ("endless") memory

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post #5

These people's "perfect" memories are purely autobiographical. They cannot memorize large lists of numbers quickly, or recite the entirety of The Bible from memory, or excel at any other task that requires rapid, verifiable memorization. Nothing about this is inconsistent with these people simply spending, for whatever reason, a considerable amount of effort to memorize and catalog the minutiae of their lives, but ot…

But how many six-year-olds would succeed at memorizing every event in their their life if they ever decided to do so? Since there wasn't any environmental stimulus for them to do so I suspect a genetic reason for their ability.

They also never mentioned that they somehow decided to spend a lot of time cataloging their memories. It seems to be totally effortless for them.

Re: Fully functional adults with perfect ("endless") memory

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're completely misunderstanding the thrust of the article. This ability goes far beyond memorizing knowledge in one specialized area. These people go through hours (up to 8 at a time) of testing about the everyday mundane events that have happened as well as the extraordinary things - there is no way for them to trick their testers. In the 60 minute piece, they could recall amazing detail about days from 2…

I'm not saying their abilities aren't "extraordinary" or at least very impressive compared to what one might naively imagine. I am more saying that people who spend endorsement efforts in other areas also tend to gain enormous abilities and so these are "normal" extraordinary abilities. The point others have raised about these people not having abilities in other areas goes beyond this "unique talent" "not transferri…

The article states that some of these people don't even want to remember everything - so there obviously are people who don't spend a lot of time exercising this skill but who simply have it.
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