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Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Last article I read said the mainland had a 99% conviction rate. Anyone going over there isn't getting a fair trial. They'll just be canned and counted as some official's crime fighting spree no matter if they did it or not or whatever political purpose their bodies can be put to.

High conviction rate is not something unique to China - Canada and Japan are also at 97% and 99% respectively https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

The difference is the conviction rate in China is over 10 times higher than that at 99.9% [1,2] and thought to be driven by political interference/corruption rather than only targeting high yield cases. Bear in mind the context of china’s top court rejecting the notion of an independent judiciary [3], it is clear there is a difference between a high conviction rate in these countries and China.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/1... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/121932... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/chinas-top-cou...

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

High conviction rate is not something unique to China - Canada and Japan are also at 97% and 99% respectively https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

The difference is the conviction rate in China is over 10 times higher than that at 99.9% [1,2] and thought to be driven by political interference/corruption rather than only targeting high yield cases. Bear in mind the context of china’s top court rejecting the notion of an independent judiciary [3], it is clear there is a difference between a high conviction rate in these countries and China. [1] https://www.washin…

>The difference is the conviction rate in China is over 10 times higher

Actually, it's not over 10 times higher; I double checked, Japan's is also 99.9% and has been for some time.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

Statistics from Wikipedia link: http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/en/61/image/image/h002003001001h.j...

If you just take guilty/not guilty, the % is actually 99.98% in Japan (e.g. 2011, 77 Not Guilty, 432,050 Guilty)

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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airdrop is actually like a security hole when Apple set "open to everyone" by default. There are already quite some cases using it to send * photos as sex harassment. Apple should set default to "only contacts".

I'm pretty sure it defaults to contacts-only by default. At least it did on my devices bought in the UK.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Essentially no. As yorwba points out in a sibling post the GFW is wise to the protocols being used. Algo doesn't work either. Or more accurately they don't work for long. The GFW slowly degrades the connection over the course of some minutes, making it unusable after a while. This then resets every day or so. After a series of days or weeks the IP address associated with the server is completely blocked. The situatio…

How about a SSH tunnel (e.g. using sshuttle) on a server you have access to?

The Great Firewall has been able to detect and block SSH tunneling for years now, probably already a decade.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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This comment is based on the peculiar notions that 1) it is possible to intimately understand the thoughts of over a billion people and 2) this understanding is necessary for propaganda to achieve its effect. More importantly, it quietly dismisses the vast moral chasm between the CCP's propaganda and that of the protesters. One aims to restrict information (and spread misinformation) to advance the control of a state…

Correct me if I'm wrong, this is a political movement aiming at winning more support and allies from people of mainland China, and hence putting more pressure on the government. My comment just points out there are some negative factors for current organizers. They could have done better. Information freedom is politically correct, but that doesn't mean tactics or investigation isn't important before conveying inform…

> They [the current organizers]could have done better

Interesting. Very specifically, how?

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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This is fascinating and scary at the same time. As we slide in a surveillance global system too busy to notice, Hong Kong is showing us the possible future of Western societies. Maybe time to cancel extradition agreements with the US?

The only way to change things is to fight back legally. I've done so and if I'm pretty much the only one to bother the government or the press then nothing will happen.

My absolute frustration, and reason I'm close to giving up, is I see people posting warning of bad things to come, politically, ecologically, technically, but they do nothing. One person alone usually can't change much. A few can but even getting a few to do anything is nearly impossible. If everyone just wrote a single letter a year to their mp/representative/whatever, even just phoned up a business about excessive packaging, things would start to move.

It's in your hands basically.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Essentially no. As yorwba points out in a sibling post the GFW is wise to the protocols being used. Algo doesn't work either. Or more accurately they don't work for long. The GFW slowly degrades the connection over the course of some minutes, making it unusable after a while. This then resets every day or so. After a series of days or weeks the IP address associated with the server is completely blocked. The situatio…

How about a SSH tunnel (e.g. using sshuttle) on a server you have access to?

they've been able to identify and block these 5 years ago

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Curious. I have a colleague who works from China a couple times a year and VPNs in to work (a well known US company) using Cisco AnyConnect[1] and tells me he's never had any trouble. 1. Which has an alternative open source client – http://www.infradead.org/openconnect/

The GFW is likely sophisticated enough to make distinctions between corporate VPN connectivity using products like Cisco AnyConnect and personal use setups on AWS/DO/Azure/GC or even a home server. One of the things I've wondered about, and I hope people more informed than me will forgive my ignorance, is whether it's possible to implement a VPN protocol that looks like ordinary HTTPS traffic. I know very little abou…

OpenVPN was/is meant to "just be https traffic"

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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The reality is that mainlanders want prosperity and stability over democracy. Unless protesters could prove there is a better way to bring prosperity, the propaganda efforts would be futile. It is not 1980s any more. VPN would not help. I learnt about what happened to Tiananmen Square, but I also learnt there is CIA agents behind a lot of these incidences. Real world is complicated. Politics is pragmatic. I do hope d…

Would millions of minority citizens interned in "re-education" camps count as "trifles" in your estimation? Because a lot of people internationally are not fans of that, and it's hardly a matter of pride or power struggle. It's an authoritarian government mistreating its citizens without due cause. That's exactly what HK people are trying to prevent happening to them... The old guard, many immigrated from the mainlan…

I fully understand your hatred towards the Chinese government.

I want to point out what I believe is the root cause. It has nothing to do with communism. Chinese has a deep rooted culture of long range thinking (think "Sun Tzu"). It has always been willing to sacrifice piece for the whole, sacrifice short term for the long term. We read those historical stories as we grow up. It is very scary at times, especially when you end up at the wrong side of the table and you are being sacrificed. This moral code probably is very different from yours. From your perspective, what happens in Xinjiang is severe violation of human rights; from those top guys' perspective, this is sacrificing the freedom of a minority for the stability and prosperity of a whole people. I am not saying I approve this policy as I certainly do not want to be those interned. And you might argue that this "long range thinking" is really servicing communism party's self interest. But your response demonstrates that the chasm is deep. And the chasm is on a cultural level and wont bridge easily.

What this trade war scares me the most is also related with this chasm - it is just so hard to transcend cultures and reach slightest bit of mutual understanding. For a while west thinks China could turn, but now it is really starting to realize there is fundamental difference. It is very scary to me. Like most people on this forum, I do not want to see any escalation in any form of conflict. I just want a peaceful globe and we could continue do our thing that occasionally crosses border.

And speaking of this Hong Kong protest, many Hong Kong friends disapprove it. I read WSj every day and there is no mentioning of what a normal Hong Kong resident think of it. In the end, what do you expect a 18 year old high school protester to understand in regards to what "democracy" mean? At that age, we easily aggrandize our self-righteousness and self-importance and are easily influenced. It is a matter of age. I think fundamentally what is driving such grievance is that Hong Kong is no longer as important as before. And younger generation see no hope. But this is simply inevitable capitalistic evolution. Smart young Hong Kong natives are now looking for opportunities in Beijing. This is the future and we have to embrace it.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Worth mentioning in case anyone in HongKong or China needs it: Streisand can help you set up a VPN to avoid censoring[1] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

Does it actually work from China? Their VPN blocking has gotten really good lately.

Wireguard on AWS works for me.
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