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France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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You can always do the transfer via metro (and there will be at most one change). The metro isn't very well suited if you travel with a lot of luggage though.

When I was transiting in Paris from Lausanne to Lyon, there was no metro connection between the Gares. That was 2006, things could be different now.

Wouldn't you be more likely to make that connection in Geneva rather than in Paris?

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Finally. It's really frustrating to see how heavily subsidized airlines, plane fuel and airports are and how big of a tax breaks they get when they come to a city. At the same time people are shamed for buying salad in a plastic bag when the big lever is somewhere completely different. Had the same thought yesterday when I saw: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1148317244893597696

International Air Travel is one of the most heavily taxed, if not the most heavily taxed, activity. It's not unusual for the taxes to exceed the ticket price. Here I just looked on kayak for a flight from SFO to Berlin. Here is the price breakdown: Ticket price USD 465.00 Taxes, Fees and charges USD 540.52 --------- International/Domestic Surcharge USD 350.00 APHIS User Fee USD 3.96 Immigration User Fee USD 7.00 Cust…

That international/domestic surcharge looks like an airline imposed charge. Not sure why they do it that way instead of having it in the ticket price. But the actual taxes paid on this ticket are a lot less when that surcharge isn’t included.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Y'all have fun with that. France is at the bottom of the places in the developed world I'd actually want to visit.

Can you please not post unsubstantive comments so we don't have to ban you? If instead you'd read the guidelines and take the spirit of this site to heart, we'd be grateful. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What? It's my opinion and is true. And is probably the lowkey opinion of many other people. I'm literally in Tokyo right now cause Japan subsidizes travel instead of punishing people for it. Honestly fuck hackernews. Y'all are the actual assholes. I wasn't being mean or a dick in any way. "Unsubstantive" my ass.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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I don't have a source for that but I'd say if the airlines etc wouldn't be so subsidized there would be higher focus on developing better engines, electric planes or other technologies than in the current state where losses will just be covered by the tax payer. They wouldn't just stop operating and the "business world" would most likely not collapse. I've talked to a bunch of people that get flown around by their co…

This is exactly what has happened — the 787 is the result, and is hugely popular with airlines. But the operational life of a big jet is measured in decades, and there are plenty of 50-year-old airframes in regular operation today.

For some context in case anyone is curious: putting together information from various websites suggests that the following is the oldest plane in commercial service today. https://m.planespotters.net/airframe/Boeing/737/5Y-CGV-Zone-...

It is a Boeing 737-200 and it has been in service for 43.7 years.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please not post unsubstantive comments so we don't have to ban you? If instead you'd read the guidelines and take the spirit of this site to heart, we'd be grateful. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What? It's my opinion and is true. And is probably the lowkey opinion of many other people. I'm literally in Tokyo right now cause Japan subsidizes travel instead of punishing people for it. Honestly fuck hackernews. Y'all are the actual assholes. I wasn't being mean or a dick in any way. "Unsubstantive" my ass.

The bar for a good comment here is higher than "it's my opinion". Not every opinion deserves expressing, only those that raise the signal/noise ratio. I don't see any information in the post, only that you're dissing France, which is nationalistic flamebait that counts as noise rather than signal here.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please not post unsubstantive comments so we don't have to ban you? If instead you'd read the guidelines and take the spirit of this site to heart, we'd be grateful. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What? It's my opinion and is true. And is probably the lowkey opinion of many other people. I'm literally in Tokyo right now cause Japan subsidizes travel instead of punishing people for it. Honestly fuck hackernews. Y'all are the actual assholes. I wasn't being mean or a dick in any way. "Unsubstantive" my ass.

And further. When I do have an actual real and legit point to make I'm shadow banned. I bet there's thousands of others in my position.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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I am actually surprised that short-distance flights aren't taxed more in Western Europe. The train infrastructure in France is world class and can get you from Paris (North-Central part of the country) to Marseille (Southeast), a distance of about 500 miles, in 3 hours. For Americans, this would be roughly equivalent to go from Boston to Washington D.C. (a trip that takes 7-10+ hours)

The train infrastructure is not perfect, the biggest issue being travels not going to/from Paris: the lines aren't as good and there aren't a lot of high-speed lines.

I'm currently planning a trip where I'm considering going from Strasbourg to Toulouse. Over 7 hours on the fastest train itinerary, versus a 1.5 hour flight. Not that difficult a decision.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Why are they taxing flights rather than fuel? There's nothing wrong with "flying"! What's wrong is how they get their airspeed, namely by burning fossil fuel. Also those prices are insulting. There is no jet fuel tax in the EU. This gimmick tax is less than what people driving cars pay in taxes on their fuel for a tank of gas. Governments want to increase tax on car fuels (hence the yellow jacket movement) but still…

> There's nothing wrong with "flying"! What's wrong is how they get their airspeed, namely by burning fossil fuel. Sadly at the current time there is no distinction between the two.

There's some, but not much. These look fun - http://lazairinfo.com/electric-lazair/

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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The whole passenger air travel industry (airlines, aircraft manufacturers, airports, etc) is subsidized because they’re not profitable on their own. But a robust and affordable air travel network is a capability the business world needs to operate our economy. Boeing and Airbus are two of the most heavily subsidized companies in the world, and the airlines themselves aren’t far behind. They’re both high-risk, low-mar…

I don't have a source for that but I'd say if the airlines etc wouldn't be so subsidized there would be higher focus on developing better engines, electric planes or other technologies than in the current state where losses will just be covered by the tax payer. They wouldn't just stop operating and the "business world" would most likely not collapse. I've talked to a bunch of people that get flown around by their co…

do you have any idea how many carbon emissions are created with a two hour meeting? The network, the video servers, the laptop/desktops - the monitors, the A/C to cool each of those people at the distributed locations?

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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When I was transiting in Paris from Lausanne to Lyon, there was no metro connection between the Gares. That was 2006, things could be different now.

Wouldn't you be more likely to make that connection in Geneva rather than in Paris?

Sorry, I meant Nantes, not Lyon. Come to think of it, I’ve never been to Lyon, not sure why I got those two cities mixed up. It wouldn’t make sense to go to Paris just to go to Lyon. :)
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