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Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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What about airdropping across the river to Shenzhen? For that matter, what about setting up Gotennas for some communication?

No need. Shenzhen is probably the most VPN'ed city in China. Most of companies/universities have VPN connection(like the one i am using now...)

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post #58

I still don't understand why the use of AirDrop is necessary. These Chinese tourists have already crossed into Hong Kong, a land that currently enjoys freedom of speech. Why aren't traditional methods like banners or brochures or flyers be distributed to tourists from the mainland? Is AirDrop faster and more effective?

Not everyone picks up fliers. They're also not anonymous.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Worth mentioning in case anyone in HongKong or China needs it: Streisand can help you set up a VPN to avoid censoring[1] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

I've always wondered how dangerous it would be using those services in China, wouldn't the secret police come knocking if someone was found using them?

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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Essentially no. As yorwba points out in a sibling post the GFW is wise to the protocols being used. Algo doesn't work either. Or more accurately they don't work for long. The GFW slowly degrades the connection over the course of some minutes, making it unusable after a while. This then resets every day or so. After a series of days or weeks the IP address associated with the server is completely blocked. The situatio…

I use Streisand to spin up both Wireguard and Shadowsocks whenever I visit China and sustain a ~300KB/sec connection usually on both of them. Occasionally it'll drop out for a night, but it's generally fine by the next morning, without needing to cycle the destination IP. I'm not sure whether it's to do with my hotel's wifi or the VPN itself. I run it off a DigitalOcean or Vultr VPS, depending on which is working bet…

Oh that's fascinating. I just got back from China a couple of weeks ago after an extended stay. I had set up Algo and Shadowsocks separately on DigitalOcean and I wasn't able to sustain that kind of speed on them for more than a couple of minutes, even back in February (I kept trying off and on until about April and then gave up).

Interesting, I had no idea Streisand has a V2Ray option at this point. May have to give it another go.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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This reminds me of people who say that we can free North Koreans by (physically) airdropping tapes and books on Pyongyang - surely the only reason they support their government is because they're heavily censored, once they see the truth they'll rise up in arms! It's a narrative that's somewhat condescending. It makes it seem like all these people are just being held hostage by their governments. The reality is that…

If freely available information doesn't change peoples minds why do dictatorships try so hard to ban it?

That's not to say that any amount of information would cause the North Korean's to rise up into a (frankly suicidal) armed rebellion, but it will influence opinions inside the country.

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I see several people discussing VPNs in the comments, but I'm surprised no one is mentioning Tor. Is Tor identified and blocked reliably by the great firewall, even with bridges?

(The Tor UI claims meek-azure works in China, is this not accurate?)

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Does it actually work from China? Their VPN blocking has gotten really good lately.

Some of the protocols supported by Streisand are basically useless because their packets are so easy to identify (OpenConnect and OpenVPN are definitely in that category), but I do know people successfully using Shadowsocks to circumvent the Great Firewall. They're not running their own servers, though.

GFW does not block all VPN protocols that are easy to identify. OpenConnect and OpenVPN are both easy to identify, but GFW interferes with the latter but not the former (for now).

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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No idea if this is practical, but I wonder people living on either side of the river could set up some kind of laser-based point-to-point pipe that would be nearly undetectable unless you knew exactly where it was?

it might be easier to have some sort of point to point packet radio setup. Wouldn't be as fast, but would probably be more reliable and the infrastructure/tooling is already in place to do this.

There is, of course, a wide range of commercially available wireless ISP hardware, most of it made right there in China. It would be easy to set up many gigabit links.

But it’s very easy to detect and home in on radios and the government wouldn’t take kindly to it. Lasers have the advantage that they are hard to detect if you’re not in the beam.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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post #8

Seems like a click bait article, there's no China firewall in Hong Kong and plenty of free Wifi spots.

You think mainlanders cross the border into Hong Kong and suddenly have a new found knowledge of where to look for uncensored information? Or that they suddenly have tons of friends to contact and discuss the news with on WhatsApp or Telegram?

A large majority of the tourists crossing the border in this train station have virtually no idea of the protests. If they do know about the protests, they've likely only read the articles posted by the CCP stating that some of the protests were in favour of the Extradition Law, blaming foreign influences among other lies. There are no articles that depict the protests for what they actually are or what they are fighting for.

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