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Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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I also hate that MacBook Pro touchpads are oversized and easy to touch with your thumbs by accident. I had one issued for a job and had annoying, error-inducing swipes about three times a day.

You complained about the best part of the Macbook, the trackpad! I wish I could get that Mac trackpad on my thinkpad x1

I can’t stand using Any trackpad, but the huge Mac one literally deters me from buying a Macbook. I am very much sold on Trackpoint, which I find to be all of conveniently positioned, not nearly as accident prone, and quite precise. Some also don’t realize this, but if you hold the middle button while pointing the trackpoint, it scrolls, which is super useful; I hardly have to move my hands to operate the pointer. A lot of people with aversion to trackpoint can be seen doing odd things, like scrubbing across it like its a mouse or trackpad. Once you get past these issues, which unfortunately does represent a learning curve, it’s quite good in my opinion.

My take: I think the touchbar and giant touchpad are both symptoms of Apple’s aversion to put a touchscreen on the Mac. With many Thinkpads and other PC laptops, you may not get quite as good of a touchpad experience (though Microsoft Precision Touchpad is a pretty good experience I would argue,) but my touchscreen experience with even Linux has been pretty good in recent years, and it has ended up being a useful, if not quite killer, feature to have.

Touchbar makes little sense to me. Power users don’t look down at their keyboards. I think the same reason Valve dropped the screen on the Steam controller applies to keyboards, and is probably part of the reason why similar visual keyboard utilities have largely not sold well. Interestingly, ones that have, like the Streamdeck, are often designed to be positioned on a much more convenient angle. On top of all of this, it didn’t seem worth getting rid of the useful fixed-position keys for a programmable bar.

And on top of everything... I don’t even think Apple has made the most compelling innovative designs in this space anyways. PC laptop manufacturers have been trying arguably more interesting and possibly even more useful concepts for a while to varying degrees of success. For example, MSI has a keyboard where the number pad is a programmable touchscreen. I believe ASUS has a laptop where instead of a touchbar, you get 3 small desktops that you can pin things to. Granted, none of these things are likely to stick in the long term, but I also believe the touchbar won’t either.

I think I get why Apple does not want to put a touchscreen on Mac: the interface isn’t really designed for it. But as much as I have a strong dislike of Windows 10s propensity to install Candy Crush without my consent, I will also concede and say it does a seriously excellent job handling a touchscreen on a desktop. It’s a shame that it will take so long to clean up decades of UI cruft, but even with it, Windows turns out to be a good experience with a touchscreen so as long as you have another precise pointing method simultaneously.

So after all is said and done, and contrary to probably many people’s sensibilities, I actually think the PC laptop market is doing peripherals better, even if the touchpad drivers can be a bummer.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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my 2015 Pro is so much better than mycompany 2017 Pro w/ touchbar like people are saying, most people just don't care about the touchbar. It does get annoying at times (as a vim user). Why WHY do they hide the esc key and have it take two inputs to increase the volume/brightness by more than 1 tick (sliding is terrible). Other than that, I totally agree, the real focus should be the keyboard. Because it's shit. Here…

For your keyboard problems, just get it repaired. It's free under a four-year warranty, and it usually only takes one day: Just drop it off at an Apple store, and pick it back up the next day. (Also, if you're a vim user, you should really remap Caps Lock to Esc. There's a pane in System Preferences for it, and it should be done whether or not you have a touch bar.)

Pretty sure that having a work laptop gone for a day is not an ideal situation for most people.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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RIP Macbook. You have been my favourite machine for a long time.

I can't imagine being on an airplane with anything but my trusty MacBook. Thinking of picking up a refurb one now to replace my 2 year old version. I also have a 13 MacBook Pro which I haven't touched in over a year.

My work machine is a 2018 13" Pro. Its not that I don't like it - it simply isn't a joy to use like my 12".

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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For all the devs wondering how to replace their MacBook Pros: I highly recommend running Linux on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I've also heard good things about System76.

Contrary view: https://medium.com/@hkdb/ubuntu-18-04-on-lenovo-x1-carbon-6g...

The writer would of had an easier time if he read the Ubuntu docs. 16.04 works flawlessly on the 6th gen X1 Carbon. I've been using it for work for the past 4 months without issue. https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201712-26045/

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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Despite the outspoken geeks that hate the Touch Bar, Mac revenue are their highest ever. The majority of people don’t care.

I think you're right. In Europe macs are not used as tools for professionals, but as toys for rich kids. You never see macbooks in any company unless they are an Apple shop but if you go in the old town center, in the most hipster cafes, you only see youths with macs.

A significant number of the academics I know and work with have a MacBook of some description. They’re incredibly popular in Universities. I can run PowerPoint for teaching as well as all the *nix stuff I need for research.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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You complained about the best part of the Macbook, the trackpad! I wish I could get that Mac trackpad on my thinkpad x1

I can’t stand using Any trackpad, but the huge Mac one literally deters me from buying a Macbook. I am very much sold on Trackpoint, which I find to be all of conveniently positioned, not nearly as accident prone, and quite precise. Some also don’t realize this, but if you hold the middle button while pointing the trackpoint, it scrolls, which is super useful; I hardly have to move my hands to operate the pointer. A…

Apple's trackpads are in a class of their own and their large size is a feature given how good they are.

I also liked the trackpoint when I had a thinkpad, but I think Apple's trackpads are better. The trackpoint is nice, but can hurt your knuckle after a while (and I'd argue it's not quite as fast).

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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For all the devs wondering how to replace their MacBook Pros: I highly recommend running Linux on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I've also heard good things about System76.

My current recommendations are a bit lesser known: - Purism https://puri.sm/products/ - Vaio https://us.vaio.com/vaio-sx14/ - Dell Latitude 7390/7490 (not the "New 7300/7400" which look to be a downgrade, sadly) And if you're in Japan and have money and are really stylish: - Panasonic Let's Note https://panasonic.jp/cns/pc/products/lv8k/

“...and are really stylish...” classic! That thing is hideous in my humble opinion

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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For all the devs wondering how to replace their MacBook Pros: I highly recommend running Linux on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I've also heard good things about System76.

Contrary view: https://medium.com/@hkdb/ubuntu-18-04-on-lenovo-x1-carbon-6g...

How is that a contrary view. That guy seems very happy with the Ubuntu and X1 combo. Though he does spend a long time obsessing about the battery, after his initial take was "yup, it's good enough for me".

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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Wonderful concept, I really hope that apple starts supporting nvidia gpus, I can’t work without cuda...

This. What’s the point in an external GPU you can’t even use for deep learning. Why do apple get nVidia so much anyway?

... everything else people use GPUs for?

There are other use cases :).

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