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Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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I hope they release a fanless version of the Air to make up for the lack of the Macbook. Are there any other fanless laptops on the market?

The current Air might as well be fanless. The fan is nowhere near the heatsink on the CPU, once it finally kicks in it only pushes the air through the case, its impact on the CPU temperatures is minimal.

"It has a fan, but the fan is useless" is worse than merely having a useful fan :/.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#33

Why does choosing an Apple product always require a degree in Apple marketing and design? I generally like their products but you need to do so much research about everything from the weird ass product names (does Air even mean anything anymore?), to where exactly in the product cycle each product is. Am I about to buy something that will be upgraded in a week?

I think you are exaggerating how confusing the apple product stack is. I'm no apple fan and I know roughly what to expect from each model.

the air is the low end model (for apple at least); you get this if you want the cheapest possible apple laptop. if you want to spend more money, you pick between the ultraportable macbook or a more powerful macbook pro.

I couldn't tell you the difference between all the iphones and ipads off the top of my head, but if you're having a hard time deciding what you want, it's probably because you're not thinking about it the way apple wants you to. it's actually a pretty simple process. 1) look at and touch the different models and pick the form factor you want. 2) increase the specs until it costs as much as you're willing to pay. if the base model of your chosen form factor is too expensive, go back to 1) and pick a different one.

if you care about the fact that macs tend to lag the latest processor skus by one or two generations, "you're holding it wrong."

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

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post #2

That's Courage. For real this time, one of the first things Steve Jobs did when he came back to Apple was that he slashed the product line and killed off a ton of things so that the company could focus on what truly mattered; building great computing devices. I am positively encouraged that Apple has grown to the point where they took feedback critically and have returned to a more Jobs-ian way of operating. As they…

“Focusing is about saying no.” -Steve Jobs, WWDC ‘97

https://medium.com/@donhopkins/focusing-is-about-saying-no-s...

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if the whole post or only part is /s, but IMO they need to have the courage to drop the Touch Bar. Everything else I can live with, but now there’s literally no MacBook Pro I will buy. I have the 2016 Function Key model, and maybe my next upgrade will be to a 2015 Pro... or to a non-Apple laptop (sigh).

Despite the outspoken geeks that hate the Touch Bar, Mac revenue are their highest ever. The majority of people don’t care.

I think you're right. In Europe macs are not used as tools for professionals, but as toys for rich kids. You never see macbooks in any company unless they are an Apple shop but if you go in the old town center, in the most hipster cafes, you only see youths with macs.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#36

Why does choosing an Apple product always require a degree in Apple marketing and design? I generally like their products but you need to do so much research about everything from the weird ass product names (does Air even mean anything anymore?), to where exactly in the product cycle each product is. Am I about to buy something that will be upgraded in a week?

the weird ass product names

IME, Apple's product names make more sense than virtually any other computer maker, or auto maker.

Currently computers from Lenovo are:

ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 6

Yoga C930

ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 5

ThinkPad X1 Extreme

Legion Y740

MacBook (RIP), MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro make complete sense comparatively.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if the whole post or only part is /s, but IMO they need to have the courage to drop the Touch Bar. Everything else I can live with, but now there’s literally no MacBook Pro I will buy. I have the 2016 Function Key model, and maybe my next upgrade will be to a 2015 Pro... or to a non-Apple laptop (sigh).

I'm certain people who are OK with the touch bar don't care about it as much as the people who hate it, but I for one prefer that they are iteratively innovating on the keyboard for macs. I'd rather they do that than make a thick brick of a laptop with a row of mostly useless function keys that a vocal minority has been harping for.

That's fine. I myself will continue to purchase from Lenovo, who tried something similar to the Touch Bar and removed it after listening to customer feedback.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#38
Macbook Pro "improvements" over the last 3-7 years:

* No more matte display

* RAM soldered to the board

* SSD soldered in

* remove all ports except USB-C

* make keyboard worse

* remove function keys, replace with touch surface that's redundant at best

But it's very thin!

And even thinner was the recent Macbook, and if the law of "diminishing returns" matters as little as the usual defenses of all the above tradeoffs in pursuit of light/thin imply, you'd think that that'd be worth keeping.

Maybe there is a limit, and Apple's actually reflected on that?

Or... maybe it's just a recognition that the Air and Macbook had come to a place where there was little distinguishing them. And that really, the MBP is less and less designed/deployed with actual professionals in mind and more and more meant for a prosumer subsegment. In which case reducing focus to two models (general purpose consumer laptop, light netbook) makes sense.

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