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Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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This is fascinating. I actually started writing a scifi novel about zombies that had something similar called ripple. The state wasn't talking about the outbreak but the videos spread through ripple and people were freaked out.

Actually.. I was wrong. I called it 'Cast' and it was just a small part of the book. I wrote it back in 2013 but never published it.

....

The government tried to prevent the mainstream media from showing the pictures but with the Internet this was impossible.

At least until the Internet fell...

It was still all over Cast though. It was encrypted, onion routed, wireless, and distributed. Cast eventually destroyed all the social networks like Facebook and Twitter and left then in the dust like so many Friendsters.

Pictures and videos of small outbreaks spread over Cast like ripples in a vast pond. Except these were more like information tsunamis. They just kept coming.

You would bump a video and send it to your friends only to find another video a few moments later.

Something was happening and we all knew.

You don't expect the speed at first. You can't outrun them. My theory is that the virus evolved to spread through accelerated replication. A long life is not a problem so burning out the body isn't an issue.

When a virus first mutates into an effective form, and the host population is extensive, it’s usually fatal.

The only goal of a virus is replication. If it kills the host but can replicate faster then that’s the strategy that will be selected. Especially when there are plenty of hosts.

And that was the problem with humanity. There are billions of people on the Earth. Most of which live in the cities. None of which have any immunity to H.

Evolution is a bitch.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#32
btw.. maybe this is a solution to the firewall... Just create a super cheap wifi device that has 64-256GB of storage and you can leave it 'open' so that people could use it as file storage caches.

Maybe some sort of web of trust to validate things like binary file integrity otherwise the state could inject malware.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#33
post #8

Seems like a click bait article, there's no China firewall in Hong Kong and plenty of free Wifi spots.

How does mobile roaming for mainland Chinese visiting HK work? Are they put on a different VNET which still experiences censorship? After all HK phone providers could have secret agreements to enforce the GFW filtering (redirect traffic through China etc) for Chinese citizens.

When I visit mainland China on my T-Mobile roaming plan I am on some sort of separate subnet that is uncensored and I can continue to access services I cannot use with a China SIM card.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#34
I think they're all valid points worth debating but wrt this article's framing, the contents of the AirDrop don't seem to have anything to do with the Hong Kong protests. Infant milk powder, train ticket score etc could just as well be in random Falun Gong pamphlets you get in Chinatowns abroad.

At this point, I'm not even sure the protest (communist black helicopters will come pick you up to CCP black sites where you'll get waterboarded for criticizing China) has anything to with the thing being protested (extradition for crimes punishable under HK laws with 7+ years in prison (which criticizing China hopefully is not)), but that's a different story.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#35
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew a Panasonic guy who worked in Shenzhen. He worked on their Android phones. I recall he was complaining how Google was vehemently opposed to any kind of "mainlining" IrDA support in Android. He says that Google was ok to support a semistandard API for IrDA just for the Japanese market under agreement that Panasonic would not market such phones outside Japan. Panasonic laobans scratched their heads for a minute,…

And why did Google oppose it?

That's a mystery. Maybe because of the same reason they axed obex

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#36

btw.. maybe this is a solution to the firewall... Just create a super cheap wifi device that has 64-256GB of storage and you can leave it 'open' so that people could use it as file storage caches. Maybe some sort of web of trust to validate things like binary file integrity otherwise the state could inject malware.

That just centralizes and adds more vulnerability to the person who bought the device (vs something more ephemeral and software based where you have more plausible deniability).

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#37

What about airdropping across the river to Shenzhen? For that matter, what about setting up Gotennas for some communication?

No idea if this is practical, but I wonder people living on either side of the river could set up some kind of laser-based point-to-point pipe that would be nearly undetectable unless you knew exactly where it was?

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#38
post #29

Worth mentioning in case anyone in HongKong or China needs it: Streisand can help you set up a VPN to avoid censoring[1] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

Does it actually work from China? Their VPN blocking has gotten really good lately.

Some of the protocols supported by Streisand are basically useless because their packets are so easy to identify (OpenConnect and OpenVPN are definitely in that category), but I do know people successfully using Shadowsocks to circumvent the Great Firewall. They're not running their own servers, though.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

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post #34

I think they're all valid points worth debating but wrt this article's framing, the contents of the AirDrop don't seem to have anything to do with the Hong Kong protests. Infant milk powder, train ticket score etc could just as well be in random Falun Gong pamphlets you get in Chinatowns abroad. At this point, I'm not even sure the protest (communist black helicopters will come pick you up to CCP black sites where yo…

Last article I read said the mainland had a 99% conviction rate. Anyone going over there isn't getting a fair trial. They'll just be canned and counted as some official's crime fighting spree no matter if they did it or not or whatever political purpose their bodies can be put to.

Re: Hong Kong’s protesters use AirDrop to spread information to mainland visitors

#40

What about airdropping across the river to Shenzhen? For that matter, what about setting up Gotennas for some communication?

Would love to see drone usage for sly data transfer here.

Nothing sly about drones - the area around the river is open on both sides, especially the HK side which is grass for easy observation of people trying to cross illegally (setup decades ago).

More sly would be people using OpenGarden to create a community linked by across the 'air gap' of river by powerful hubs on HK side and SZ side. That might actually work.

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