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U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

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Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

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Yeah - https://www.iflscience.com/environment/we-could-be-heading-m...

It's weird that they call it "mini ice age" then follow up with - we had one in 17th century, London got temperature below 0 in winter. Not what I imagine from the name.

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Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#42
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The most powerful supercomputers in the world are not even close in processing power of a 4 year old. Isn't it possible that some people can see patterns that the supercomputers can't?

That's simply not relevant, nor true.* Modeling climate change is much more complex than the simple heuristic pattern matching of the human mind. You're talking about a huge, complex, and fundamentally chaotic system; the latter property precludes the usefulness of heuristic based predictions by a 4 year old (or a human of any age). There's a reason we run massive numerical simulations on multi billion dollar HPCs. *…

I'm not sure what the use is of comparing human processing to "the type of operations required to simulate something like climate" since predicting the weather is not something our computers are particularly good at. Why is a 3D model even necessary?

Personal anecdote: my grandmother is capable of predicting rain 1-2 days ahead of time based on smell and just "a feeling." Granted, we probably don't remember all of the times that she was wrong.

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

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post #2

Global climate change => higher air temperatures => more water in the air => more water available to fall out of the air.

Should we expect dry (arid) regions around the world to experience more rainfall?

Some, yes, I've read. Africa and Indonesia may get wetter, and the Sahara could even switch back to rainforest.

But my "more water, so wetter" comment was about global averages. Given that global air and ocean circulation will change, some areas will probably get drier. Such as the US Midwest and Southwest, and perhaps the Amazon.

https://news.uci.edu/2018/04/27/scientists-project-a-drier-a...

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/34232/201...

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#45
post #2

Global climate change => higher air temperatures => more water in the air => more water available to fall out of the air.

Yup, pretty much exactly. The interesting side effects are the formation of more clouds (in the stratosphere they make things warmer, in the troposphere they make things colder), and bigger temperature shifts in the air when the water finally condenses out in liquid form (more mass to phase change, more net temperature change).

Record air traffic. Record cloud seeding. Record rainfall. Record heating.

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#47

What if rather than doom we get global tropical paradise

What if new tropical paradises means the current tropical paradises become uninhabitable, creating more forced migrations that make the syrian refugee crisis look like a quiet day on the canadian border, and the lands that become your "tropical paradise" actually are the grain belts of the world, which can no longer grow all the food a continuously expanding global population demands?

Look at all the flooding in the midwest this year -- despite dams on every major river, we've still had record-breaking field inundation and crop failure. Is that the new normal paradise you're describing?

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#48
post #43
post #2

Global climate change => higher air temperatures => more water in the air => more water available to fall out of the air.

Are there any record-setting weather patterns that global climate change can't account for?

Its changing the climate so no, there is probably no record setting weather it cant account for. Even if this was less water it would be listed as the driest 12 months on record.

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#49
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not talking about vague shifting definitions of "normal." We're talking about "the wettest 12 months ever recorded," in the 125 years we have data for.

125 years is still a very small amount of time to assess climate, and the quality of the data 125 years ago isn’t very good. Considering all “solutions” to the “problem” of climate change involve a radical remaking of society, it’s not unreasonable or unserious to ask for more data.

You're having a totally different discussion than all the people you replied to. Nobody above you said "this is destroying the planet and we need to guillotine the oil barons." You introduced the idea of "we don't know what normal is" when it wasn't relevant.

This is the wettest 12 months in the US on record. This is almost certainly because the global temperature has gone up significantly in the last century+.

If you want to talk about this, talk about this - don't waste time attacking imaginary points you think other people are implying.

Re: U.S. has its wettest 12 months on record again

#50

What if rather than doom we get global tropical paradise

About 80 percent of bugs have died in Peurto Rico rain forest attributed to global warming. We are in the 6th mass extinction. It won't be a tropical paradise without bugs, birds, animals, and the ability to grow food.
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