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Re: Ross Perot Has Died

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He did some good things. He was brave enough to recommend that high school athletes (ie football players) in Texas could not play unless they met some minimal standards of participation in academics.

OTOH, his business career is not atypical. The deal about starting EDS with $1,000 may or may not be true. He was a successful salesperson for IBM. He sold to the insurance companies in Dallas, particularly Southwestern Life, which he talked into buying a huge 70xx (2nd generation) mainframe computer. Supposedly, IBM then had a maximum commission that a salesperson could earn in a year, so he was looking at a large part of a year with no additional income. Coincidentally, Southwestern Life, having acquired an IBM computer very much larger than it could use productively, had around 2 shifts per day that it could easily be persuaded to lease to Perot's $1,000 new company, EDS. How did Perot get customers? He had an associate who was very close to VP-then-president LBJ, and there was this thing called Medicare that LBJ was starting up, and Perot's new little $1,000 company got the contract to process Medicare claims! So, the man who ran against government had been made a huge success by government money.

The government really was a big friend to Perot. The government of Texas built a highway north out of Ft Worth. Perot built an airport out there, but not near the highway, because that land was too expensive. Then he persuaded the great State of Texas to move the highway to serve his airport. The Treasury department started printing money nearby, flying it to Federal Reserve banks through his airport. And Perot systems, the company he started after he exited EDS, early on obtained a very large contract to automate the US Post Office, with IBM System/38 minicomputers everywhere.

As an employer, he did some things that are still a little controversial. New tech employees signed contracts, and if they quit too soon thereafter (one or two years, IIRC), they owed EDS $10,000 for training (this was money 40 years ago). EDS also used mandatory overtime, (often six and sometimes 7-day weeks during crunch time), with armed guards at the door monitoring bathroom breaks.

A couple of things he said during the 1992 campaign were also a bit fishy. David Frost quoted Peter Lesser directly to Perot, “Ross Perot is a good person, and he’d make a great king. But I think he’d be a bad president.” Perot said he had never heard of Peter Lesser, whom he had met and had discussions with, and who had run for both district attorney and mayor of Dallas in the preceding few years. As a CEO who does not know who ran for mayor in the city in which his business is headquartered, he must have been pre-channeling Trump one way or the other, as he likely was with his bogus claim during the campaign about a Black Panther assassination plot against himself broken up by his dog.

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Bill Clinton left office with a 60+% approval rating, higher than Reagan when he left. Bill won both elections with 370+ electoral votes. I think the American people were mostly pleased.

That's cherry picking numbers somewhat. Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote. A mere 43% in 1992 and 49.2% in 1996. Contrast that with Obama's 52.9% in 2008 and 51.1% in 2012. Or Reagan's 50.4% in 1980 and 58.8% smashing in 1984. Reagan was obviously a lot more popular with the electorate than Bill Clinton and it shows in the only way that ultimately matters: votes. Approval ratings are at best bullshit,…

Votes are not a measure of approval. They are a measure of preference within a highly constrained ballot and FPTP game theory.

Re: Ross Perot Has Died

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Didn't he also "disappear" (from the public eye) during a crucial point in the campaign? My memory of this is hazy as I was only 12 at the time, but I recall my father being interested in his candidacy, but then around July or August he withdrew from the campaign. Then re-entered in September or October, so he came across as "flaky".

He dropped out of the race to get away from bad press, the establishment players kinda forced him out with dirt-digging. I think he thought it would help, but when he re-entered he was worse off. I also remember him doing well in the debates, but his VP pick, Admiral Stockdale, badly flubbed the VP debate.

For a long time after that I only remembered Admiral Stockdale as the guy who had his hearing aid shut off during the debate. I didn't realize his history — he was a real intellectual, with a love of Stoic philosophy, but he determined on the active life of a Naval Aviator. He ejected over North Vietnam and was captured and subjected to torture. To avoid being used for propaganda, he disfigured himself by cutting his scalp with a razor and beating his face with a chair. When he gained information that could be used to reveal others' attempts to subvert the North Vietnamese, he slit his wrists to avoid being tortured into a confession. He conducted himself heroically in a war that was anything but, and earned the respect of his fellow-prisoners and his captors, and he gives credit to the philosophy of Epictetus, especially as contained in his Enchiridion.

(And to be fair to Stockdale, he only was informed of the debate one week in advance. He was not a skilled debater, though, to be sure.)

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I was in high school when Perot ran for President and I was a huge fan. I remember liking how he wasn’t a politician and therefor looked at the problems our country had from a different point of view. This was the first time I had ever watched political debates; because I wanted to hear him speak. He was so different. I also was a huge Apple and then Next fan at that time too. I sent him an email asking if he could h…

> he wasn’t a politician and therefor looked at the problems our country had from a different point of view.

This is what many had desired when they propelled the current 'billionaire' non-politican to President.

Comparing Ross Perot to Trump is like comparing a Neuroscientist to a Snake-Oil Salesman though.

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I think I'll add, "Are you willing and able to extract me from a country I'm located in (in the course of our work) while a revolution is actively in progress?" to my list of interview questions.

Are you ready to have your mind blown? Read this article from 20 years ago: https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/ Jeff Bezos: "At a certain point I was sort of a professional dater," he explains about his years in New York. His systematic approach to the quest for a permanent relationship was to develop what he labeled "women flow," a play on the "deal flow" [...] "The number-one criterion was that I wanted a woman…

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Re: Ross Perot Has Died

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I remember him as the guy who did everything he could to save employees stuck in Iran, two of whom were imprisoned, during the revolution. He didnt go rescue them himself, but he funded the rescue and was personally invested in the rescue. Not many CEOs would do much more than pay some K&R firm to negotiate a ransom/bribe, while simultaneously getting the lawyers to work out how little each life is worth they need to…

He also flew into Iran during that time to visit the imprisoned employees to assure them he was doing everything in his power to get them out. If he had been spotted, he surely would have been arrested, too. On Wings Of Eagles https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Wings_of_Eagles

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Re: Ross Perot Has Died

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I enjoyed the book, never saw the tv program, although I also just found this counter-narrative: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-07-09-920302...

Back when the Chicago Tribune thought it was Buzzfeed, I dont think they liked him. "26 REASONS WHY ROSS PEROT DOESN`T DESERVE YOUR VOTE" https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-10-08-920401...

The Chicago Tribune is not a good newspaper.

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He dropped out of the race to get away from bad press, the establishment players kinda forced him out with dirt-digging. I think he thought it would help, but when he re-entered he was worse off. I also remember him doing well in the debates, but his VP pick, Admiral Stockdale, badly flubbed the VP debate.

For a long time after that I only remembered Admiral Stockdale as the guy who had his hearing aid shut off during the debate. I didn't realize his history — he was a real intellectual, with a love of Stoic philosophy, but he determined on the active life of a Naval Aviator. He ejected over North Vietnam and was captured and subjected to torture. To avoid being used for propaganda, he disfigured himself by cutting his…

Me too. At the time, the SNL parody was how I remember it. Only later did I learn what an amazing hero, intellectual and person Stockdale was.

Looking back, I guess the buck stops with Perot, he should certainly have given his VP more advance notice, and maybe some coaching in public speaking, TV, PR.

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> it was blindingly obvious where it came from Why so many APIs in the Apple ecosystem start with NS

Oh man, I hadn't made that connection before but it's so obvious now

Firefox has its own historical code with NS- prefixes inherited from Netscape. The joke now is that NS standards for "namespace". :)
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