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Americans Are Horribly Misinformed About Who Has Money

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Re: Americans Are Horribly Misinformed About Who Has Money

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I'd like to see that graph broken down between people who think that wealth is a zero sum thing that can be represented as a pie (as shown) vs those who know it isn't. That is, people who think that if I have a dollar, then they can't also have that same dollar at the same time.

Exactly! The pie is growing. Compare your wealth to your parents not your neighbors.

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post #6

I wouldn't be surprised if most respondents are answering as if the question were about income rather than wealth.

Exactly, and I can't see why the charts shouldn't look like this. Saving money is a luxury, it's a good thing to do if you can afford it and if you're saving your money for something worthwhile. What's important is that people are living the lives they want to be living, and I'm sure that's possible without lots of savings (although wealth could probably help).

Most people like to spend money now instead of later though, and the charts reflect that. It's as simple as time preference.

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Poor Americans are simply much, much, much needier than people realize. You're not needier just because your neighbors are richer than you thought they were.

I think the idea is that your neighbours are poorer than you thought they were.

They may have less net worth, but that doesn't mean they have income to the point that we could consider them "poor". I would really like to know what the median income is within each quintile of wealth distribution.

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What’s interesting here is the extent to which the public vastly overestimates the prosperity of lower-income Americans. I bet this is due in large part to the availability of credit over the last few decades. Credit has allowed lower-income people to "play the part" of the wealthy, giving rise to the distortion. In particular, interest-only, 0% down mortgages, low or no-interest credit cards, and car leases let some…

Most lower-income americans make more than the world median income. Our "poverty line" is 20x the income line for half the planet.

Of late in Atlanta, one news story about someone unable to pay to heat more than one room had a dramatic photo of her showing her heating bill in her living room - with a 55" HDTV and Xbox360 in the same room.

Problem with that chart is scale: while 20% may have most of the money, the poorest still have enough to live in world-relative luxury.

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post #6

I wouldn't be surprised if most respondents are answering as if the question were about income rather than wealth.

Exactly, and I can't see why the charts shouldn't look like this. Saving money is a luxury, it's a good thing to do if you can afford it and if you're saving your money for something worthwhile. What's important is that people are living the lives they want to be living, and I'm sure that's possible without lots of savings (although wealth could probably help). Most people like to spend money now instead of later tho…

All things being equal, human beings prefer an object now instead of an object in the future.

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Facts play a depressingly small part in politics and (perhaps even more depressingly so), studies/surveys and casual observations show that pointing out various facts to people does not actually change their opinions. Try talking about income inequality to a Tea Partier and you'll get the same reaction that an evangelical christian has to evolution. Moreover, this is certainly not an American phenomenon - I see it US…

Tea Party supporter here - and I am quite aware of the facts regarding income distribution in this country. Are you saying that people can't disagree on the proper level of income redistribution for a society if they are all aware of the current distribution of income? That's a mighty strange assertion.

Re: Americans Are Horribly Misinformed About Who Has Money

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I wouldn't be surprised if most respondents are answering as if the question were about income rather than wealth.

The other thing is that the bottom folks aren't as "needy" as folks were in, say, the great depression. - I.e. "no one starves in america" and most people know this: so while the distribution in wealth is extreme, the distribution in QUALITY OF LIFE is less extreme. - This biases people's view and makes them feel that generally, for most americans, things are okay.

This is all true of course: except that the worry about an ultra-wealthy minority is not that their quality of life is too high compared to your's (it's not) but rather that their POWER is too extreme, since money is power and speech, and that since power corrupts, they MIGHT ultimately work to reduce further the strength of the lower classes to the point that poverty really does become extreme. - Since as Marx shows this is not really in the interest of the upper classes (that is: tyranny and extreme poverty are precisely what leads to a violent reaction by the down-trodden) it may be that, through the miracle of technology's abundance, we will continue on a track where we all have a high quality of life, but only a smaller and smaller pool of people "own" the production engines.

How a world where a few own all the profits, but the masses have what they need to survive looks, we will soon see: but it certainly feels very Brave New World and is, perhaps, inevitable.

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