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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Imagine a random manufacturer, let's say HP, was the one bringing a touchbar to their notebooks. Some press, a lot of laughter but quickly, nobody would talk anymore about them and/or buy that notebooks. With Apple, people keep on complaining OVER years. The touchbar, the prices, the crappy keyboards... the reason? IDK, maybe they are locked-in and can't move to another platform but there is only one single reason to…

I, too, switch to another OS every time my keyboard has a problem.

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post #144

I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model. I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use…

> The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers Nobody gets it right all the time but Apple has a history with this type of behavior of being correct.

I'm interested to see your list of the times their controversial decisions were correct after Steve Jobs died.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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They also killed the regular Macbook in favor of the Air (which is a long time coming, but I wish they'd killed the Air instead).

I never understood why the Air and the standard Macbook continued to coexist, one of them had to go.

This makes their product line make a lot more sense:

Macbook Air, Macbook Pro (I'd probably drop the 'Air')

iMac, iMac Pro

Mac Mini, Mac Pro

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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99%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…

I really don't know why Apple doesn't do the typical Apple thing here: make it a $600 add-on item. If they can transform 3.5mm headphone jacks into a huge upsell opportunity, I don't know why they'd miss out on that opportunity for something like the Touch Bar. People can then have their standard keyboard with function keys AND an external controller if they make use of an application that would make it useful.

That's exactly what they did. When they introduced the Macbook with touch bar in 2016, they raised prices by $700.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #95

Apple kills the (s/non-Touch Bar//) MacBook-Pro. There is nothing "Pro" about a touch bar, even for fields outside of software. Apparently Ive's departure means Apple is not returning to function-over-form.

The biggest proof that the touch bar isn’t a pro feature is the fact that you can’t buy an Apple keyboard with a touch bar.

I don’t know about the US, but Danish workplace regulations require an “external” keyboard. You’re not allowed to work all day on a laptop keyboard. Similarly you also need a height adjustable screen. Using your laptop as a laptop is suppose to be a exception.

So if you can’t sit directly in front of your laptop and touch bar 99% of the time you can’t actually use it for work.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #223

Imagine a random manufacturer, let's say HP, was the one bringing a touchbar to their notebooks. Some press, a lot of laughter but quickly, nobody would talk anymore about them and/or buy that notebooks. With Apple, people keep on complaining OVER years. The touchbar, the prices, the crappy keyboards... the reason? IDK, maybe they are locked-in and can't move to another platform but there is only one single reason to…

Nobody really cares what Dell or HP are putting out. All eyes have been on Apple for a long time and lots of people who have never even used a Mac have a lot to say about them.

I and many others care about high quality laptops. Dell XPS and Thinkpads being two examples.

There's an entire world of excellent, powerful and cost-effective hardware outside of Apple's bubble.

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Having talked to a lot of people... the Touch Bar is not meant for regular computer users or for developers. The Touch Bar is meant for graphics, audio and film professionals . That’s the “Pro”. It’s an incredibly flexible “picker/slider” for colors, volumes, mixing, and so on. I know HN hates the touch bar... and I personally have no use for it... but we’re not the market for it . There is a market for it, but it’s…

Who are these graphics, audio, and film professionals who asked for a Touch Bar?

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #46

99%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…

I blame this mostly on Apple's human interface guidelines: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... Scroll down to "Design Considerations": "Use the Touch Bar as an extension of the keyboard and trackpad, not as a display." But what I really want is for the touch bar to be a display and input device for things normally elsewhere: time, date, maybe CPU usage, etc. This to me is not a hardware pr…

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Clicking the link to the article takes me to https://guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifiers?sessionId=3_...

This is blocked at my DNS level. Why is engadget.com forwarding to this address?

I just unblocked guce.advertising.com and it forwarded to engadget, so this must be some sort of tracking system.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why encourage people to look down when typing anything? Basically everyone learns to type without looking at some point which is the ideal zone you want users in (a one-to-one connection with the machine, eyes straight, hands down). Context switching the UI in a computer interface, often randomly depending on the app, while requiring the user to look down to use it is terrible UX. This whole technology screams ‘b…

Why label literally any button? Just number them all, and if a pilot can't remember that button F81 means "gear down" well that's user error. Hitting a function button is not "typing" in any real sense anyway, use being so relatively infrequent. Can you really hit F8 consistently, without looking? Maybe the doctrinaire solution would be to delete the function keys, if "thou shalt not look at keys" is the ultimate com…

F8 is right next to F9, which is super important for loading autosaves in Bethesda Softworks' games, so thats a big affirmative over here.
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