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France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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> But it is us who are actually performing the "consumerism". It is us who buys tons of garbage and then throw it out. If only we could collectively incentivize more efficient lifestyles.

You can't really live "efficient" being poor.

Depends on your poorness. Poor in India or Africa live extremely efficiently.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Let's add in the BWI airport too. And while we're at it add Baltimore too. But that's it!

The issue is the rest of the nation though. Yes, it's obviously a winner for the North East. You guys can put as many cities as you like on the link list because you have the geography and the density. Awesome! Good for you. What about everyone else?

The layout of the Midwest is actually more Europe-like than the Northeast, and arguably a better fit for Euro-style high speed rail. Unfortunately, the will and determination required to build it doesn't seem to exist.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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It depends, when you buy the tickets 3 month in advance, it can be really competitive. On short-notice trips, it's often too expensive indeed.

I hope they wouldn't use those agressive algorithm for dynamic pricing. This is a public service, have a static pricing! This turns the train into a luxury, at times almost three times as expensive as air travel.

static pricing leads to sold out seats and poor planning by customers. It negates the ability to add capacity in advance for busy times and leads to poor efficiency overall (even completely ignoring the inconvenience of being stranded to passengers).

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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"Sin Taxes" are not meant to literally tax sins but to tax behaviours with negative consequences that where the price is ultimately bourne by society. For example, the cost of second hand smoke is bourne by others, and when they get sick, many times by taxpayers. The cost of alcohol is partly bourne by a variety of parties. "Sin Taxes" are not meant to discourage literal sins but to discourage such activities with ex…

Pigouvian tax is a synonym if you want to avoid the connotations of sin.

I think there’s a subtle difference in intent, as elucidated by laken above[1]. Basically, if you’re doing it with the intent to reduce the behavior, it’s (best called a) sin tax. If you don’t care how much people continue to do it, as long as they’re paying, it’s (best called a) Pigovian tax.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20394548

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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> Want to do something about climate change? Start with yourself I really dislike this line of thinking. I don’t manufacture millions of tons of concrete or millions of single-use plastic shampoo bottles. Our current path is irreversible if drastic shifts in disposable consumerism don’t occur soon.

> if drastic shifts in disposable consumerism don’t occur soon. Now the question is how to achieve the drastic shift. The popular opinion is that we need to vote in the right politicians and the change should come from the top. I used to think this way for a long time. I've changed my opinion recently. Think about any significant societal change in the last century or so. Women suffrage, civil rights movement, anti-w…

Indeed, politicians are quite cowardly. Even the "progressive" ones won't move forward until the majority has.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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> Want to do something about climate change? Start with yourself I really dislike this line of thinking. I don’t manufacture millions of tons of concrete or millions of single-use plastic shampoo bottles. Our current path is irreversible if drastic shifts in disposable consumerism don’t occur soon.

And if you did you would probably be chasing and optimizing for your quarterly revenue goals and using every dirty trick in the book to get ahead.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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> Want to do something about climate change? Start with yourself I really dislike this line of thinking. I don’t manufacture millions of tons of concrete or millions of single-use plastic shampoo bottles. Our current path is irreversible if drastic shifts in disposable consumerism don’t occur soon.

> if drastic shifts in disposable consumerism don’t occur soon. Now the question is how to achieve the drastic shift. The popular opinion is that we need to vote in the right politicians and the change should come from the top. I used to think this way for a long time. I've changed my opinion recently. Think about any significant societal change in the last century or so. Women suffrage, civil rights movement, anti-w…

Completely agree. To that I add catastrophes, because most environmental acts (e.g. the air pollution control act in the USA or the watershed act in the UK, both in the 50s) came about in part because of previous environmental disasters or dangers we were not careful enough to prevent, and only after tragic incidents did the politicians decide they had to push for these types of acts.

The other tool we have in our toolbox nowadays is consumerism. We can choose what to buy, so if there are alternatives that are more environmentally friendly and that are gaining momentum because of our shifting ethical and moral values, every other opportunist will want to, at the very least, not miss out on an opportunity. This is why I support extinction rebellion even though I find them quite annoying. It brings an issue into the mainstream conversation which will hopefully change our attitudes towards excessive consumerism.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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I don't really understand what the purpose of this tax is. There's no alternative to burning fuel by energy density on an airline, so why go after flights? What do they expect them to do? If you're taxing petrol cars you'd expect electric cars to become more economically viable. Either way I disagree with carbon taxes. They're regressive, and ignore the fact that regular people are being badly hurt by them whereas th…

It's a 3€ tax on a flight, those regular people are not being "badly hurt".

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

#310

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> But it is us who are actually performing the "consumerism". It is us who buys tons of garbage and then throw it out. If only we could collectively incentivize more efficient lifestyles.

You can't really live "efficient" being poor.

Poor people are responsible for way less in terms of carbon.
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