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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #41

Is there any way to essentially lock the touchbar in a fixed configuration? Like I'm a programmer and willing to write a mac native app if that's what I have to do, but I want the same set of things there and I don't want other programs to be able to hijack the buttons I have locked there. If I could do that, then I can live with it, since then it is just a massive battery drain instead of being a massive battery dra…

That's doable in settings. Mine displays nothing but fn keys all the time.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #46

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I blame this mostly on Apple's human interface guidelines: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... Scroll down to "Design Considerations": "Use the Touch Bar as an extension of the keyboard and trackpad, not as a display." But what I really want is for the touch bar to be a display and input device for things normally elsewhere: time, date, maybe CPU usage, etc. This to me is not a hardware pr…

Doesn't Apple itself use it as a terrible little mini-display in some multimedia apps, like Logic, to show a ridiculous multi-track "view" on the damn touchbar itself? Like several individual tracks all squished together? And they talk about "human interface" ?

It's not just a view, it's a control. There's a difference between sticking random, non-interactive information in the Touch Bar and having it be a contextually dynamic control.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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To me the bigger news here is killing the MacBook. It's a weird product -- crazy overpriced, and with a bunch of concessions in terms of the design, but I like that it's extremely light (33% lighter than a MacBook Air) and has no fan. I had hoped never to buy another laptop with a fan again. Yes, I know performance sucks, which is why I run most of my code on a server instead of locally on my computer. I think really…

After I requested work buy me a tricked out MacBook (which I received literally last week), I saw the rumors that Apple would soon update their MacBook line. I was mentally preparing to be gutted when Apple would update the MacBook with two fullspeed USB-C ports and Touch ID....instead they cancel it!

The Air is barely more compact than the Pro (look up the specs, it is a bit thinner on one side and is 0.25 pounds lighter).

The MacBook is a true ultraportable laptop (it is 0.75 pounds lighter than the Air) - sad that Apple doesn't sell one now.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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The answer is obvious to me. Add back the physical top row, but keep the touch bar. Just put it above the physical top row. I like the idea of the touch bar for customization and various use cases, but I don't do that now, because I want my top row to continue to act as simply and consistently as possible. For example, the contextual menus for programs. I think the whole concept is really interesting and adds a cool…

As much as the Touch Bar doesn't bother me and having the physical F keys seems a step back to me, I think this is the right answer anyways. They'd appease both sides of the argument and they wouldn't lose much at all. Even if they had to make the trackpad a little smaller, it's fucking gigantic on the newest models so losing a small bit of it wouldn't hurt anyone at all.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #85

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I'm in agreement with your eloquent response. The touch bar is an unacceptable gimmick for me, a solution in search of a non-existent problem (my physical escape key is doing just fine). I'm also not going to buy Bluetooth headphones, just because they decided to drop support for standard headphone jacks. The right to repair and extend my personal computer is another. It's common human decency, which apparently is no…

I really don't see the problem with any of this stuff. I like physical escape keys, I really don't want expensive Bluetooth headphones, and I like having a headphone jack on my phone. I also like being able to repair and upgrade my equipment. So what do I do? I don't buy Apple stuff. Then I read discussions like this one and chuckle at all the people griping about all these things, and then continuing to buy and use…

I love my 2012 Mac Book Pro (okay, my employer's). They OK'd buying a new one, but honestly, I still haven't found a good reason to switch out for a new one, except the weight (I bike in to work, and those extra pounds are a drag)

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #6

Disclaimer: I like the touchbar. I swapped escape and caps lock, installed Pock, and never looked back. This is my last MacBook. Xubuntu on a Thinkpad x1 carbon works great for everything I do, at a fraction of the price, with a keyboard the doesn't stop working with dust, and with more than just USB-C.

I also have a x1 Carbon 5th gen. It's been my favorite laptop I've ever owned. I run Arch Linux on it and it runs so nice and easy, charges super fast, has all the ports I use.

I can definitely recommend everyone who has been disappointed by Apple to come to the Linux/Thinkpad ecosystem. It's not difficult to switch. Give it a try! :)

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #115

Idea: Add gesture support. Two finger slide for brightness or volume. Different from/to direction with 2+ fingers, maps to different functions, to ease use without looking down.

Eh? It already has gesture support. You can flick the volume and brightness buttons to change the levels one step at a time or you can drag on them to pop-up a slider control.

Unless you're suggesting global gestures where two-fingers anywhere on the TB would control volume. In that case, I'd have to see a use-case. I can see that going horribly wrong and being triggered accidentally all the time.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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post #108

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Opposite here, the magsafe was a constant nuisance, always disconnecting. I like being able to drag the cord with the laptop.

And the laptop with the cord.

This is how you get frayed cords.
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