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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#122I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model. I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use…
> I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case
Linux and open BSD variants are calling...
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#123To me the bigger news here is killing the MacBook. It's a weird product -- crazy overpriced, and with a bunch of concessions in terms of the design, but I like that it's extremely light (33% lighter than a MacBook Air) and has no fan. I had hoped never to buy another laptop with a fan again. Yes, I know performance sucks, which is why I run most of my code on a server instead of locally on my computer. I think really…
I'm a bit disappointed and surprised by this news. Agree with everything you said about the price being ridiculous and the performance being inadequate, but it was all about the form factor - what a gorgeous machine for travel-friendly computing.
I always viewed it as a v0.1 of the future of their light travel-friendly laptop model, and fully expected it to receive incremental performance upgrades and eventually replace the Air. I was hoping that in a few more years, I'd be able to buy one of these as a complement for travel or maybe even to replace (depending on the weight / performance tradeoff) my 13-inch MacBook Pro.
I assume, since they only gave it a minor upgrade once in like 3/4 years and the price was pretty ridiculous, that they just couldn't make it work. I hope, as you say, they can figure it out, perhaps using their own ARM CPUs, and eventually relaunch this model or continue making the Air thinner and lighter with the same performance.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#124This thread is going to dissolve into a pile-up on the Touch Bar, so I wanna jump in front of this. Readers of this site are mostly “hackers,” however mutated or dumbed-down that term has become over the years, correct? Everyone here has their windows and spaces just so, a full complement of shortcuts and trackpad gestures, and if they're serious about the Macintosh tools like TextExpander. As standard as GUIs are, w…
I'm with you. BetterTouchTool introduced me to some pretty cool possibilities with the Touch Bar and it's just been even more awesome as I've customized it more. On top of that, it motivated me, for some reason, to try and get DooM running on it just for shits and giggles even though it's mostly unplayable.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#12599%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…
and here I am always on the look out for a good external keyboard that has separate buttons for volume, brightness, and more. This is because on the desk top front Apple long ago decided that multi-key combinations was better than separate keys for some functions and too many vendors followed suit.
Agreed. I don't use them often but I made sure to program discrete volume/media/brightness controls into my keyboard.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#126To me the bigger news here is killing the MacBook. It's a weird product -- crazy overpriced, and with a bunch of concessions in terms of the design, but I like that it's extremely light (33% lighter than a MacBook Air) and has no fan. I had hoped never to buy another laptop with a fan again. Yes, I know performance sucks, which is why I run most of my code on a server instead of locally on my computer. I think really…
The writing was on the wall. I doubt anyone was buying the Macbook. Still, the 12 inch Macbook is one of my favorite devices that Apple has ever made. It’s unbelievably light and portable and people will have no idea what this means until they actually hold it because no other laptop has this kind of lightness/portability. This and the fanless part are the major reasons I bought it and I think the price is justified for these features alone. But I understand that people usually look for other things in laptops which can make this pricing seem ridiculous.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't type on the keyboard without accidentally triggering the Touch Bar. I really wanted to hack it, but wow is it annoying. I have to relearn typing because of it. If there was a small gap between the top of the physical keyboard and the touch bar, that might be enough to prevent false taps. Or I have to hack the Touch Bar to figure out where I'm accidentally hitting it, and don't put any buttons there. I'm also…
I don't get this - wouldn't you just accidentally press the F-keys if the touch bar wasn't there? Also, when my fingers are on home row, I can't even reach the touch bar without overextending/completely flattening my hand, which is hard to accidentally do while typing (and I have larger than normal hands).
The Touch Bar is very sensitive and picks up accidental touches. F-keys require pressing down.
Personally, I tend to unconciously rest my hands spread out over the keyboard when I'm not typing. My thumbs are down by the space bar, and my fingers on top of the Touch Bar.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#128The Touch Bar was what finally pushed me over the edge to remap caps lock to escape. I'm shocked at how much I enjoy ESC being close to the home row (I'm not even a big vim user). For this change alone I am glad to have the Touch Bar.
I use caps lock as control. It would be hard to relearn that muscle memory.
I do both. Press and release = escape; press and hold = control.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't type on the keyboard without accidentally triggering the Touch Bar. I really wanted to hack it, but wow is it annoying. I have to relearn typing because of it. If there was a small gap between the top of the physical keyboard and the touch bar, that might be enough to prevent false taps. Or I have to hack the Touch Bar to figure out where I'm accidentally hitting it, and don't put any buttons there. I'm also…
I don't get this - wouldn't you just accidentally press the F-keys if the touch bar wasn't there? Also, when my fingers are on home row, I can't even reach the touch bar without overextending/completely flattening my hand, which is hard to accidentally do while typing (and I have larger than normal hands).
No, it takes less pressure to active the touch bar than physical keys.
Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro
#130Apple kills the (s/non-Touch Bar//) MacBook-Pro. There is nothing "Pro" about a touch bar, even for fields outside of software. Apparently Ive's departure means Apple is not returning to function-over-form.
Wholeheartedly disagree. I use the Touch Bar religiously for media production including scrubbing through audio/video and adjusting dials/filters/tones and I've remapped it to include my most used functions in things like VSCode and even iTerm.
I get that it's not for everyone but to generalize and say that it's not "Pro" is delusional.