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Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by ZeroCool2u » Tue, Jul 09, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

ht85 wrote: post #435

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #402

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I've been using Ubuntu with Gnome on Wayland for the past year or so on my Dell XPS 13. I actually ended up switching to Wayland, because of how much better the touchpad worked with it. To be fair though, Dell has an entire team dedicated to supporting the XPS 13 Developer Edition, so the drivers are highly curated compared to most devices.

My experience was on an XPS 9570, not sure if there's a large gap in driver / support. Out of the box synaptics was pretty bad, but after tuning the palm detection zone size and a couple timings (long press, etc) it feels amazing. When I don't have to test convoluted UIs, I can go days without plugging the mouse. Don't you have the small "lag" when two fingers scrolling?

I've been super happy with the touch pads performance out of the box, I literally haven't modified any settings related to it.

Are you referring to this bug[1] in Chromium? I think these are growing pains associated with transitioning to Wayland, but this really doesn't bother me too much. I will say that the scrolling is otherwise very smooth and almost perfectly everywhere else in the UX.

[1]https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=712737

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by simion314 » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:02 AM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #496

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OK, there are a group of people where at the time we bought NVIDIA it was not a mistake, it was the better card for Linux Desktop, at that time AMD open source GPU was bad and the Catalyst proprietary one was terrible in performance, Steam games were only supporting NVIDIA. Sure when I will need to buy a new card I will again have to check what is the best one for Linux and then I will probably get an AMD card again(…

> AMD Catalyst drop support for my 1 year old cheap Laptop My advice is: Unless you're running a qualified application on a workstation GPU, do not use Catalyst (or whatever they're calling it this year). It is almost always more finnicky. Mesa has the best performance, and the most meaningful features for OpenGL, Vulkan, and D3D9 for any any GCN 1 or later (and probably r600 or later, but I don't have personal exper…

Thanks for the response, my story about Catalyst was very old. I was trying to explain to some new Linux people that AMD was terrible a few year back. So I bought a new laptop and in 1 year Catalyst dropped support for the GPU in that laptop forcing me to only run distributions with old enough Xorg because the open source drivers were bad at that time.

I know that now AMD open source is better and my new computer will probably run an AMD CPU and an AMD GPU but until my current PC gets outdated I will have to continue use my NVIDIA 970 which is still a decent card for cashual gaming

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by vbernat » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 6:27 PM UTC

effie wrote: post #494

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I have run a GT 1030 with a pair of 4K displays for a few months and the performance is terrible (for a desktop usage). I don't know where the bottleneck is (PCI bandwidth maybe) but you should avoid this card. I have replaced it with an RX550 and I don't have any performance problem anymore. It is not passively cooled, but the fan can be stopped from software if you want.

Perhaps you got the "disgrace version" of GT 1030 with slow DDR4 in place of GDDR5? [1] [1] https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-g...

Yes, I have the DDR4 version. I wouldn't have thought it would matter much for a desktop usage.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by major505 » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

kasabali wrote: post #465

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Recent releases encourage you to remove xorg.conf altogether and let it figure out the config itself. Works pretty well from what I have seen.

I must add ”recent” here means more than 10 years. Last release that required an xorg.conf file was released in 2006 or 2007?

Id din't know that Sometime ago I was trying to make an old nvidia video card work with my pc in With Fedora. One of the instructions was to open the xorg. change the drive to replace the noveau drive, or something like that. I think it wasant't even 2 years ago.

Then I just installed ubuntu and isntalled with apt-get install nvidia-wathever-version. And worked like a charm for me.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by themacguffinman » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:10 AM UTC

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> OP explicitly mentioned Sway (based on wlroots), not Gnome (mutter) My parent commenter did not refer to Sway, that's why I rejected the claim that AMD is the "only way for you to get a usable desktop with modern features". > even Gnome can't handle XWayland with Nvidia today. And if you play games, especially in Wine, that's still a requirement I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and…

> I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland. How exactly, when it's not supported: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA There is currently no accelerated GLX support when running a GNOME Wayland session no top of the NVIDIA drivers, meaning X11 OpenGL applications will use software rendering.

I can't say I know the details, but I have played CS:GO (non-wine) and Overwatch on Wine without any special hacks with performance indicative of GPU, not CPU rendering. Perhaps it's because they're using Vulkan instead, or the docs are alluding to edge cases that I haven't encountered? I have very little technical knowledge of how it works, but I can say that it is absolutely working.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by shmerl » Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

themacguffinman wrote: post #515

shmerl wrote: post #502

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> I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've successfully launched and played Wine games with Nvidia proprietary drivers in Gnome with Wayland. How exactly, when it's not supported: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA There is currently no accelerated GLX support when running a GNOME Wayland session no top of the NVIDIA drivers, meaning X11 OpenGL applications will use software rendering.

I can't say I know the details, but I have played CS:GO (non-wine) and Overwatch on Wine without any special hacks with performance indicative of GPU, not CPU rendering. Perhaps it's because they're using Vulkan instead, or the docs are alluding to edge cases that I haven't encountered? I have very little technical knowledge of how it works, but I can say that it is absolutely working.

You likely weren't using Wayland session, but X11 one.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by themacguffinman » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #516

themacguffinman wrote: post #515

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I can't say I know the details, but I have played CS:GO (non-wine) and Overwatch on Wine without any special hacks with performance indicative of GPU, not CPU rendering. Perhaps it's because they're using Vulkan instead, or the docs are alluding to edge cases that I haven't encountered? I have very little technical knowledge of how it works, but I can say that it is absolutely working.

You likely weren't using Wayland session, but X11 one.

No, I definitely wasn't. The games may be running through XWayland, but my Gnome was definitely running with Wayland.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by kasabali » Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 11:21 PM UTC

major505 wrote: post #514

kasabali wrote: post #465

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I must add ”recent” here means more than 10 years. Last release that required an xorg.conf file was released in 2006 or 2007?

Id din't know that Sometime ago I was trying to make an old nvidia video card work with my pc in With Fedora. One of the instructions was to open the xorg. change the drive to replace the noveau drive, or something like that. I think it wasant't even 2 years ago. Then I just installed ubuntu and isntalled with apt-get install nvidia-wathever-version. And worked like a charm for me.

When you need to configuration, best practice is to put only the necessary configuration in a configuration snippet inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ without creating a full xorg.conf file.