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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Disclaimer: I like the touchbar. I swapped escape and caps lock, installed Pock, and never looked back. This is my last MacBook. Xubuntu on a Thinkpad x1 carbon works great for everything I do, at a fraction of the price, with a keyboard the doesn't stop working with dust, and with more than just USB-C.

Wasn't aware of Pock before your comment. This looks really cool, thanks for the tip.

https://pock.dev/

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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When the Touch Bar is discussed the discussion often turns into "is the Touch Bar useful or not?" When the crux of the whole issue is that they removed a row of keys (F- keys and escape key), because the new oversized touchpad needed to be 10mm bigger.

If they had simply left all the keys, shrunk the touchpad, and added the Touch Bar above the keyboard, people who didn't like the Touch Bar would simply choose not to use it (or even shut it off) and people who loved it could continue to do so.

That's the issue. Not the Touch Bar itself's benefit, that's a red herring.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Is the baseline MacBook Air sufficient for a CS major? I don’t want to spend extra for the pro.

Yep! The base model will be fine for academia; however, you might want to invest in the 16GB of RAM as Chrome and other electron apps will consume all your memory leaving your computer crawling.

When you start working, you'll probably want to invest in the pro line for a faster CPU especially if you start booting up multiple services (databases, servers, etc.), mobile development, or crunching large sets of data.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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99%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…

Why on earth do I need to tap twice to adjust the screen brightness? I couldn't find a way to just have two increase/decrease buttons. Why can't I adjust how long the touchbar stays active for? Why does it disappear at all? I can't imagine the touchbar would exist in its current form if Steve were alive.

If you hold the brightness button on the Touch Bar you can slide your finger left and right to adjust the brightness so it’s one (long) press. Same with volume.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Is the baseline MacBook Air sufficient for a CS major? I don’t want to spend extra for the pro.

Not sure of the Air specs, but I generally recommend paying for 16gb of memory. I found google docs and other web apps quickly consumed my 8gb memory. But, if you don't mind closing tabs and being mindful of running programs you can get by with 8.

If you ever find yourself CPU bound then you can spin up a VM image and run those jobs remotely.

While running low on storage isn't a problem either as several cloud options exist for that.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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99%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…

Why on earth do I need to tap twice to adjust the screen brightness? I couldn't find a way to just have two increase/decrease buttons. Why can't I adjust how long the touchbar stays active for? Why does it disappear at all? I can't imagine the touchbar would exist in its current form if Steve were alive.

FYI you can press and drag on the brightness/volume buttons to make adjustments immediately, no need for a second touch

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Is the baseline MacBook Air sufficient for a CS major? I don’t want to spend extra for the pro.

I use the 2018 MacBook Air, 1.6ghz 16gb ram as a developer / development manager and it is faster than the 2015 pro it replaced with similar specs. The only thing I've seen it slow down on is compiling Rust, but I think that's just because that operation is slow.

Jetbrains IDEs works fine, not sure about XCode haven't done much with this machine yet in Mac Development.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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This thread is going to dissolve into a pile-up on the Touch Bar, so I wanna jump in front of this. Readers of this site are mostly “hackers,” however mutated or dumbed-down that term has become over the years, correct? Everyone here has their windows and spaces just so, a full complement of shortcuts and trackpad gestures, and if they're serious about the Macintosh tools like TextExpander. As standard as GUIs are, w…

Caps Lock is already mapped to Control.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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To me the bigger news here is killing the MacBook. It's a weird product -- crazy overpriced, and with a bunch of concessions in terms of the design, but I like that it's extremely light (33% lighter than a MacBook Air) and has no fan. I had hoped never to buy another laptop with a fan again. Yes, I know performance sucks, which is why I run most of my code on a server instead of locally on my computer. I think really the best other options without a fan are all Chromebooks.

I would guess Apple will revive the fanless model when they switch to ARM processors in 1-2 years.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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99%+ of my usage of the touchbar is pressing escape, adjusting screen brightness, speaker volume, or accessing music controls. All of these worked flawlessly when I had physical keys, but now it's hard to know what I'm pressing without looking, and sometimes the controls become unresponsive to touches or drags. I'm a programmer/business owner, so perhaps it's useful for other sorts of creative professionals, but it f…

Why on earth do I need to tap twice to adjust the screen brightness? I couldn't find a way to just have two increase/decrease buttons. Why can't I adjust how long the touchbar stays active for? Why does it disappear at all? I can't imagine the touchbar would exist in its current form if Steve were alive.

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