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France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Based on recent events, I'm sure this will be well received...

Why? The protest that originated "gilets jaunes" was because the increase in gasoline price would affect low wage workers for which their car was one of the main tools for their job. I cannot imagine many low wage workers that depend on international flights to take home some bread...

Not only workers, also unemployed, retired, etc But yes, defending low-income population

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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It's nice how you can rename any tax to an "eco tax" and suddenly everyone's delighted. Kudos for the social engineering.

(there is absolutely no indication that this will somehow help the environment. I 'm heavily against flying , but i m also appalled by the level of gullibility here)

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I like it - only 25% of the population flies, and it's the top tier (mostly). My biggest problem is it's so low. 1.5/3 Euro for EU/non-EU travel.

And that sucks. More freedom is good. More taxing won't help more people travel. That is, of course, the intention here. But that's not a solution, its pretty regressive.

We may be at the point where we have to choose between the freedom to fly and the freedom to live on an inhabitable planet.

Generations from now, people will, if there are any left, look back on these bourgeois luxuries as a kind of grotesque oppulance, utterly out of whack with ecological reality.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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I don't really understand what the purpose of this tax is. There's no alternative to burning fuel by energy density on an airline, so why go after flights? What do they expect them to do? If you're taxing petrol cars you'd expect electric cars to become more economically viable. Either way I disagree with carbon taxes. They're regressive, and ignore the fact that regular people are being badly hurt by them whereas th…

>What do they expect them to do?

Use trains.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Isn't the title misleading? From the article: "The new French tax will be 1.5 euros for flights within France." Unless "out of France" simply means originating in France, regardless of whether the destination is in France or not. Either way, the original title is better, I would keep it: "France to tax flights from its airports"

Thanks for the comment. I posted this with the original title as it was, they have changed it. I edited it just now, but I'm not going to keep checking to see if they change it again...

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Based on recent events, I'm sure this will be well received...

Why? The protest that originated "gilets jaunes" was because the increase in gasoline price would affect low wage workers for which their car was one of the main tools for their job. I cannot imagine many low wage workers that depend on international flights to take home some bread...

I think the powerful french farming lobby had more to do with it

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I like it - only 25% of the population flies, and it's the top tier (mostly). My biggest problem is it's so low. 1.5/3 Euro for EU/non-EU travel.

And that sucks. More freedom is good. More taxing won't help more people travel. That is, of course, the intention here. But that's not a solution, its pretty regressive.

Flying takes a pretty heavy toll on the environment, it should be discouraged as much as possible.

If people want to travel, the continent's already covered with roads and rail.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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I don't really understand what the purpose of this tax is. There's no alternative to burning fuel by energy density on an airline, so why go after flights? What do they expect them to do? If you're taxing petrol cars you'd expect electric cars to become more economically viable. Either way I disagree with carbon taxes. They're regressive, and ignore the fact that regular people are being badly hurt by them whereas th…

I think they expect people to fly less; similar to many other “sin” taxes like those on alcohol or tobacco.

Re: France to tax flights from its airports, airline shares fall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I like it - only 25% of the population flies, and it's the top tier (mostly). My biggest problem is it's so low. 1.5/3 Euro for EU/non-EU travel.

And that sucks. More freedom is good. More taxing won't help more people travel. That is, of course, the intention here. But that's not a solution, its pretty regressive.

What kind of freedom are we talking about?

Every kg of CO2 you contribute to pushing out in the atmosphere is a little bit of freedom taken away from the generations coming after you that will have to deal with the consequences.

If airplane flights are inappropriately priced compared to the externalities they cause - which I’d argue is the case, as with any industry powered by fossil fuel - then taxes are a great way to deal with that.

What alternate solutions do you propose?

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