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How I Taught My Kid to Read

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Re: How I Taught My Kid to Read

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For the teacher to have ability to wait or push as needed, the teacher must have quite a lot of autonomy. And a system that rewards teachers for doing own decisions instead of following prescribed methodology.

Good teachers with autonomy get better results than good teachers without autonomy, but bad teachers with autonomy get worse results than without autonomy.

I ran into the bad teacher with Autonomy.

Singled me out because I liked math and she was an English and Spanish teacher.

I had never gotten a C before, but that teacher in a panic admitted that "I wasn't good at her class like I am at math". In reality she was targeting me for some reason and giving me minimal participation credit despite participation.

By the end of the class, enough students complained she stopped teaching Spanish 1. And she still teaches to this day 11years later.

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I'll put this here since I learned of it from a Hacker News thread and taught both of my boys to read with it: Let's Read: A Linguistic Approach. My youngest still picks it up just to read it from time to time.

I'm using it with my eldest also after seeing it mentioned here. I can't recommend it enough, it has helped him enormously.

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Just out of interest, which country are you based? I wonder if the reason perspective is so polarised from mine is because our education systems also vastly differ. From the perspective of the UK, most of what you said is completely untrue.

From their perspective the people who are against school are against it for basically the same reason you’re against being hit in the head, because it’s harmful and subjecting children to it is wrong. The difference between being punched in the head, punched in the head by someone wearing boxing gloves, hit with a goofball in a sock don’t change that someone is getting hit in the head and that’s wrong. It’s like a Ch…

I've found that very much depends on the teacher and - to a lesser extent - the school policies as well. Each teacher will have their own teaching style. Some do favour "sit down and copy from a worksheet" style of teaching but I'd argue those are the lazier teachers. Others, however, do find more creative and interactive ways for kids to learn the same curriculum.

Source: my wife is a primary school teacher and really enjoys creating fun lessons.

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> I really wish people wouldn’t trying “hacking” education. Does innovation in general bother you? Besides, what we're doing isn't a very new idea. We are predominantly inspired by the 1960 book Summerhill by A. S. Neill, and even he was inspired by prior art (This isn't the only inspiration, but it's a good tldr in a way) > Sure the system has its faults For us, those faults are deal breakers, but I understand if th…

Not Op but I work in education. What I would stress is to be aware that it is difficult to understand one's own limitations. So this may or may not be true in your case, but while sometimes parents think their kids are ahead (or behind) on something the opposite can be the case. So just a plea to make sure you get outside feedback (eg on whether she learns all languages 'right', whether she lacks/excells in other ski…

Agreed. I wouldn't say there is a right and wrong way to teach (for starters, every child learns differently) but it can be extremely hard to retain objectivity when it is your own offspring.

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I’d like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that extrinsic rewards and punishment (withdrawal of rewards is also punishment) kills intrinsic motivation and poisons the relationship destroying trust. In other words if you want you child to stop enjoying an activity, encourage or reward the activity. For more, and a ton of research, see the work of www.alfiekohn.com and more specifically Punished by Rewards.

I mean, is this even true? I love programming for example but love it a lot more when I’m being paid a lot of money.

I think the previous poster meant learning should be incentivised with rewards; rather than a behaviour forced because the alternative is punishment.

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I’d like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that extrinsic rewards and punishment (withdrawal of rewards is also punishment) kills intrinsic motivation and poisons the relationship destroying trust. In other words if you want you child to stop enjoying an activity, encourage or reward the activity. For more, and a ton of research, see the work of www.alfiekohn.com and more specifically Punished by Rewards.

I mean, is this even true? I love programming for example but love it a lot more when I’m being paid a lot of money.

Yes, this is confirmed by study after study after study.

People perform better at tasks requiring deep thought and creativity when doing them for their own sake, instead of based on extrinsic rewards/punishments.

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Siegfried Engelmann [0] (the author of Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons, referenced in the story), developed a pedagogical model he named Direct Instruction [1] in the '60s as a direct result of being focused on at-risk, low-performing children. Here is a video [2] from the 60s of him working with one of his initial kindergarten classes (doing complex math, etc), and using many of the hallmarks of Direct Instruction. DI has become popular in many primary charter schools across the country (ex, Thales Academy [3]), although many schools transition to an inquiry-based model [4] after primary grades.

DI is similar to rote learning, which is used throughout much of the rest of the world. Lessons are heavily scripted, down to the minute, although there is an emphasis for only focusing on practicing skills that have not yet been mastered. One of the most controversial aspects of DI, and probably one of the main reasons it has not been used in US public schools despite having a strong history of effectiveness (here is a meta-analysis of over 300 studies over 50 years [5]), is that children are grouped according to skill, not age.

My kids are not quite yet old enough to learn to read, but I plan on using Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons. DI might not work for every child, but it has clearly been shown to be one of the most effective methods that helps the most children.

[0] - http://www.zigsite.com

[1] - https://www.nifdi.org/what-is-di/basic-philosophy.html

[2] - http://www.zigsite.com/video/zig_math_video.html

[3] - https://www.thalesacademy.org/academics/what-is-direct-instr...

[4] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquiry-based_learning

[5] - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/003465431775191...

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I'm always fascinated and curious about language learning. We seem to just pick up our native language so easily as we're growing up, but it seems difficult to pick up a new language with the same ease later on. I don't have kids, and can't remember what my reading ability was at 4 years old, but I thought when I started reading that I started out by identifying individual characters and trying to sound them out piec…

> We seem to just pick up our native language so easily as we're growing up, but it seems difficult to pick up a new language with the same ease later on.

Easily? It takes many thousands of hours to learn our native language in the first few years of life.

> I started with learning the sounds of the language first (and how to pronounce the written language) which set up the framework for learning words and phrases later on.

That’s not how language acquisition works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FRKBxLvKmw

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> Does innovation in general bother you? Only when I have numerous first hand accounts of where it doesn’t work. Just as I have from my extended family, most of who are teachers and all of who state that kids who have been taught outside of the standard educational system are always behind kids who were not. This is often even true for kids who have received additional tuition outside of school where their tutors hav…

> most of who are teachers and all of who state that kids who have been taught outside of the standard educational system are always behind kids who were not. Would you admit that your perspective then is heavily biased? I don't claim to be unbiased, but I myself come from a family of educators, and I chose a different direction (see also John Gatto). That is, I'm very unsurprised that traditional educators would thi…

Curious what you mean by a different direction? I'm a fan of John Gatto so I wonder what direction you mean..

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> not wanting to read books that parents would buy for 4-year-old kids Similarly, children's books can be great for learning a foreign language, except that they're children's books. It's hard to find simple language books to practice with.

Not really. They're boring for adults and the language can be highly idiomatic. You're better off watching films with subtitles in your target language.

Depends on the book. My kids (4 and 6) enjoy a lot of books that are full of puns that I catch as an adult that my kids don't get at all. They get a very different story than me or my wife, but the result is we can all enjoy it - if for different reasons.
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