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Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by spurmboy »

jolmg wrote: post #130
misterprime wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on the source of the cringe? I went to read it based on your description, hoping for a dose of cringe. In the end, I did not detect it. To me it seemed like a decent introduction to a tool designed to help get people take a look outside of their bubbles.

I think it's from > to playfully challenge perspectives, while unlocking achievements Who's looking to "playfully challenge perspectives"? and "[unlock] achievements"? Discussions aren't generally a game, but this seems to pitch it that way. I don't know about you guys, but I think more often than not, discussions are a generally stressful thing that people do because they must. The description might benefit in chang…

It’s this mainly. It’s not cringe because it’s stupid, it’s cringe to me because i think it’s naive. Baking in the playful aspect makes me imagine that the person creating this has this vision in his head that people are friendly and that playfully challenging each others perspectives will result in anything. People are invested in their perspectives and they aren’t going to change them — not in light of facts, logic, threats or playfulness. This guy thinks that playfully challenging perspectives is going to scale to more than a handful of people? It’s naive. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but that’s how I read it.

Also, the achievements angle is also cringe for me because achievements are a buzzword fad that makes me think the person behind this thing is not a very deep thinker, doesn’t appreciate the fact that it will look bad to advertise the achievements, and maybe is a person who has trouble thinking for himself and gets swept up into actually believing fads.

If I were going to write a description it would be something like this: a platform where people are given the opportunity to refine their opinions based on civil discussion with the assistance of a tasteful incentive scheme.

It seems to bring down to earth a bit. Reading criticism that is so personal can be upsetting. I genuinely hope that I have in no way upset this person. We all learn these hard lessons from time to time. I know I’ve had more than I can count.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by kumarvvr »

dbingham wrote: post #8

The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on. If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to…

I think an app like Telegram or Signal should fill that place. FB is too feed algorithm driven. For a townsquare like requirement, a chat group should be sufficient.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by dang »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #102
dpcan wrote: post #97

I recently deleted Reddit from my life. That was huge. I can turn off Twitter and would never know it was gone. But FB won't be that easy. It's important to me for a number of reasons: - Communities use it to communicate with their groups. I'm in business owner groups, collectives, local theater group, and some gaming/social groups that aren't as active. - For many of these groups, FB is the ONLY way I'll get info ab…

> - Communities use it to communicate with their groups. I'm in business owner groups, collectives, local theater group, and some gaming/social groups that aren't as active. If only there were another technology one could use to distribute messages by electronic means from one computer user to one or more recipients via a network.

"Don't be snarky."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by OneFamousGrouse »

jadbox wrote: post #66
dbingham wrote: post #8

The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on. If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to…

>The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square Yep, but most social platforms are not really tuned to being a town square, and instead are optimized for feeds and stirring emotions. They often rewarding behavior that's counterproductive to finding common ground. We need platforms like DinnerTable.chat [1] that is built around the idea of bringing people together across the spectrum and local…

If you ever market your product in France, don't use that acronym.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by HissingMachine »

godelski wrote: post #131
dbingham wrote: post #8

The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on. If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to…

I feel like this isn't so crazy of an idea, but any can't the city host it's own website with forums and everything? This could enable easier and more clear threading than Facebook, and you can look through history and pin topics/announcements. The library could be in charge of hosting it and archiving everything (isn't this already something libraries are supposed to do? The archiving of local news.) There's plenty…

Maybe a fork of some wiki application can act as a digital townhall library? They usually publish meeting notes on their websites, so why not on a wiki platform, many of them have discussion pages and you could add open sections for public suggestions and it could act as an archive or library for town information. It's just the matter of taking it seriously and giving it an appropriate budget like they do with any other public structure or organization. But if it proves to be valuable component of public organization it would be budgeted and administered appropriately.

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Post by BioMeditate »

subpixel wrote: post #134
jadbox wrote: post #120

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Ah, thanks for that feedback. Would you like to try your hand of writing a better summary here? It would be appreciated, as it's hard to improve from just a single word criticism (cringe).

"Product abc.xyz is like Facebook, without the suck."

"A cure for the common platform"

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Post by sdegutis »

skinnymuch wrote: post #147
sdegutis wrote: post #69

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The community argument isn't actually compelling. It creates "ghost-like" relationships, where you don't really know someone anymore and haven't for years, but act like you're still best friends, with occasional empty comments or likes. It's like eating cotton candy for dinner and acting like you have the energy a good steak would have given you. Many of them don't have email though, and phone chats are often difficu…

How can you do occasional visits if you don’t live nearby? A lot of people I know live across the country or in the middle of America or outside the US. Even seeing all of them occasionally would be very difficult. Unless you mean every few years? But that’s barely anything.

It seems to me life is meant to be lived most with the people you live near. No matter how much technology improves the ability to communicate long distances, it's never the same as being with those people. So maybe it does mean visiting only every few years, and maybe even less often. It's hard when those people are family though, because then you have a permanent connection with them. But sometimes friends drift apart (physically) and you make new ones (locally) instead, and that's okay.

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Post by [deleted] »

rubidium wrote: post #64
dangus wrote: post #11

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It's rather unrealistic to consider those alternatives enough to replace everything all the features contained within Facebook can accomplish. Facebook has discussion forums, rich messaging, groups and events, classifieds, image and video editing/enhancement, and many more features all bundled into one platform. You'd probably need 15 other websites and services to replace it. If we just had truly protective privacy…

The point is a family can do great without all that stuff. Mine does. We do big group texts. Does the job just fine with 16 of us on it.

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Post by jadbox »

OneFamousGrouse wrote: post #154
jadbox wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square Yep, but most social platforms are not really tuned to being a town square, and instead are optimized for feeds and stirring emotions. They often rewarding behavior that's counterproductive to finding common ground. We need platforms like DinnerTable.chat [1] that is built around the idea of bringing people together across the spectrum and local…

If you ever market your product in France, don't use that acronym.

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