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The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I just switched from Mac to Windows and had to move back. I cannot believe how miserable the Windows experience is. I mistakenly thought that since so much is browser-based, it's not a big deal. But literally every single little thing is slightly-to-much worse on Windows. Even stupid things like changing scroll direction, saving the 5 second preference for notifications to disappear, finding a wifi password, arrangin…

Same thing here. Sold my 2013 MBP and bought a Thinkpad X1 carbon. After a year of frustration, bought a used 2013 MBP.

Windows is somehow worse than it used to be. There's two control centers for some reason. Much more notifications and intrusiveness. Taskbar auto-hide doesn't work consistently. Updates install without permission. The big thing is the apps. Apps are getting much less functional (just like how the Settings app does a fraction of what Control Center used to do.) OneNote is a great example: the UWP version lost so much functionality compared to ON 2016, but the latter has been abandoned.

Weirdly enough, I never found a good PDF viewer. Acrobat DC is a slow and a battery hog. Edge/Chrome are non-functional (don't handle search properly on many PDFs). Many alternatives are .NET based on battery hogs. Moreover, since Edge/Chrome won't let you use a PDF plugin anymore, the workflow is completely broken. (Download the PDF then open it in a separate app.) I never thought that Preview would be the "must have" Mac app.

Oh, and the trackpad! RDP from a Mac into a Windows terminal server is a better mousing/scrolling experience than native windows on the X1 (which has an MS Precision touchpad).

Oh, and power management was real hit-and-miss. Sometimes I'd get a full 10 hours, and sometimes, under the same workload, it'd be like 6. The synaptics touchpad comes with a driver (even though it's supposed to be an MS Precision touchpad) that had some helper utility that would randomly go crazy. (If you killed it, it would restart automatically. Deleting the binary fixed that, and had no discernable affect on mouse behavior.)

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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~20yrs Windows user and die-hard anti-fanboy of Apple, I'm almost considering switching to a Mac as the next corpo laptop (if not for unergonomic Mac keyboard layout and different shortcuts for everything, I'd have done it already).

While I'm happy with my personal Thinkpad, being nearly the only front-end guy on Windows sucks (missing out on various tools, and regularly having to fix slightly broken scripts etc.).

But above all, my corpo Dell is a misery (current status: malfunctioning audio drivers hence all audio sounds like 32 kbps crap; issues with external monitors when replugging laptop to the docking station; cherry on a cake is laptop going berserk while presenting at a conference, due to loose RAM; there's an issue like this every few weeks lately).

Current Dells have much better battery and are half as heavy as the previous generation, but I still wouldn't buy a Dell for myself, and sadly those are still the default Windows corpo laptops.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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My environment requires mostly access to several Windows Remote Desktop Servers and VDIs.

Curiously I use a Mac to access them because the Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac has some niceties such as opening each RDP session in a new Mac Desktop and best of all I can very conveniently navigate from RDP session to RDP session with a Mac hotkey.

With Windows Microsoft Remote Desktop the whole RDP session switching experience is pretty cumbersome.

So I do all programming and LOB apps use on Windows RDP sessions.

On Mac only Internet browsing and RDP session management via Microsoft Remote Desktop.

So my iMacs are mostly thin clients.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I'm debating switching to Windows when my 2015 Macbook gives up unless Apple really have learned their lessons from the 2016 model. I have two remaining major issues with Windows, which is down from the remarkably sizeable list that had me switch to Mac and OSX, which makes it easy to keep the Windows box as games only: + Extreme monochrome flatness. It's obtuse and hides information, like the edges of icons, encoura…

I'm in a similar situation, but I'm pretty sure that when my 2015 MacBook Pro dies, I will still be unable to find a Windows notebook with a comparable touchpad. Running Windows on my gaming desktop is tolerable, subject to the caveats you've outlined. But even with great software, Windows notebooks are still handicapped by poor hardware interfaces. I realized recently when I got a new Windows notebook for work that touchscreens exist and are popular on Windows notebooks because they partially compensate for the horrible touchpads. On my MacBook Pro, I still feel no need to augment the touchpad with a touchscreen.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I use Mac for work (MacBook Pro 2017) and windows for personal projects (HP Envy 2018) and posts like these makes me wonder: are we both using the same Windows? Because the windows that I am exposed to finds the most inconvenient time to install updates, slows down for no apparent reason and, as of late, turns on two keyboard cursors at the same time causing me to type in two different locations of a document at once. Why Windows?! WHY?!?!?

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I'm not sure it makes sense to point to certain hardware flaws as a reason to avoid Macs.

These are bad things (especially the keyboard switch issue, which is greatly compounded by the issue of the keyboard being a very heavy-weight repair) but... where's the manufacturer without problems?

I think what you're looking for is a manufacturer with a relatively decent reliability record and a record of "making things right" when they do go wrong. I'm really not sure of the best way to measure that, though Apple seems to consistently do well on various user satisfaction and reliability surveys.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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post #30

I have used all 3 major OS (Windows, Mac & Linux) for at least a decade each, and I review my current choice every few months. I have regained a lot of sanity by realizing computing happens within platforms, and regarding the OS as just plumbing. My platforms of choice are the web (for hypertext), elisp text applications (for interactive development, task management, email), and Unix. I only need a browser (Firefox),…

I'm kind of with you... next desktop will move from hackintosh to linux proper. I've used enough linux in remote shells, vms and via docker. I really like OSX and the Windows taskbar, but it's at a point where the hardware decisions of Apple leave me unsupportive of their hardware, and similarly their OS.

Likely to use Pop_OS! (weird spelling, hope they change it), as I do like Ubuntu/Debian, but want a faster pace on parts of it. I'll probably continue to work more against containers rather than on the desktop itself. But at least I'll get real volume mounts.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're changing the scroll direction, you're not moving, you're trying to recreate your MacOS experience on Windows, and it isn't surprising that didn't go well.

It's cheap to change a configuration setting. It's expensive to rewire habit.

It's cheap but crippling.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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Meta:

I really wish that people would stick with writings things as "from SOURCE to DESTINATION" or "from INITIAL to FINAL".

Perhaps it's just me, but I find it reduces mental drag if you describe things in temporal progression instead of having to go 'in reverse'.† It's not a big deal, but I find it irksome.

† I am reminded of the bomb defusing joke: Cut the blue wire [snip] ...after cutting the red one.

* https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WireDilemma * https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CueCardPause

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