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Re: Leaving irc.perl.org

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Post by daneel_w » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

Grinnz wrote: post #38

daneel_w wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There already is a well-populated #perl channel on Freenode. Unfortunately it's a socially unwell place that in a way has been taken hostage by a small tight-knit group of regulars - users like MST, Grinnz and pinkmist, to name a few - who go about managing and policing the channel in not only unfriendly ways but also in very unwelcoming ways in relation to new and casual visitors. (ps. I'm a regular of the channel s…

As a counterpoint, I'll extend an invitation for anyone to come see for themselves how "unfriendly" the channel is, keeping in mind that it's a two way street and nobody is being paid to put up with you.

It's certainly a two-way street. I think anyone would agree that trolls deserve anything but dilly-dallying, but trolls don't belong to the newbies and casuals I'm concerned with. You putting the term unfriendly in quotes, and implying that you are subjected to having to "put up" with people, just reinforces my opinion that the problems I've described are indeed normalized.

Re: Leaving irc.perl.org

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Post by Grinnz » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

daneel_w wrote: post #39

ether_at_cpan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me you're exactly the type of person that sungo was talking about -- someone who wants to complain but not actually do anything to help. You haven't said anything constructive at all. What are people doing that you find unfriendly and unwelcoming? What would you suggest they do differently? If you were one of the regulars, what would you do differently?

I am one of the regulars, since a decade now. For starters I would under no circumstance allow myself to habitually include an insult when responding to people who ask "stupid questions" out of just not knowing Perl better. I would also refrain from kicking and even banning people from the channel based on nothing else than personal differences in opinion on whatever the fleeting off-topic happens to be - a transgres…

I can't speak for my fellow operators but I resent the accusation (since you did name me) that I took part in any such behavior.

Re: Leaving irc.perl.org

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Post by Grinnz » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

daneel_w wrote: post #41

Grinnz wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counterpoint, I'll extend an invitation for anyone to come see for themselves how "unfriendly" the channel is, keeping in mind that it's a two way street and nobody is being paid to put up with you.

It's certainly a two-way street. I think anyone would agree that trolls deserve anything but dilly-dallying, but trolls don't belong to the newbies and casuals I'm concerned with. You putting the term unfriendly in quotes, and implying that you are subjected to having to "put up" with people, just reinforces my opinion that the problems I've described are indeed normalized.

It is in quotes because I haven't seen unwarranted unfriendly behavior in months. I am not subjected to put up with people, I do it by choice.

Re: Leaving irc.perl.org

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Post by sweetbits » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

ironman perl also followed the same path:

http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/

It has been down for some months now.

Re: Leaving irc.perl.org

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Post by sweetbits » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #3

Both Perl and IRC have suffered heavily from a massive loss of popularity over the past decade, I can't say I'm too surprised that irc.perl.org is going the way of the dodo. I really like IRC and I'm really sorry to see it go, and I still have an irssi running full time on a handful of servers. Freenode is basically the only server that manages to maintain its user base, but even for them it's not really growing anym…

20 years ago, there were less knowledge, less languages ready to do what was needed.

Perl was one of the early languages that was able to achieve a lot in terms of systems administration and web. (and other activities of course)

However years have passed, now there are tons of new languages.

A lot of front-end javascript developers that had no interest in back-end, were given the opportunity to dive in node java-script on the back-end.

Nowadays, java-script, java, c#, php, etc, many other languages can do the same as perl. So there are a lot of choices today.

One fact is, among the perl developers, a lot of them are extremely good with development and nix systems. Others can probably share experiences with other languages ? For example, in a lot of XYZ-java language* teams, there are a lot of incompetent coders ?

Another fact i notice is perl projects need smaller teams compared to that other language. Specially those other languages that hire according to how many certificates the candidate have. In the macrosoft world this is very common, each employee certificate accounts for a total. And this total will determine if the company is "Gold Partner", "Platinum Partner", "Incompetent partner".

In the end, when the client is about to sign the contract to close a project development for a company, the client will search for this piece of text: "Our company is a 'Ultra platinum macrosoft partner'. We have 40 devs and 200 certificates. So you can rest assured that the project will be in the right hands."