The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

Post by earenndil » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 2:18 AM UTC

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> Expect supporting wayland properly Doing what everyone else does != doing it properly > I wouldn't call this excellent at all So far Wayland support is most further in Gnome and even there a lot of features are still missing/broken despite Wayland being well over a decade old at this point. A lot of very basic features (remote desktop, screen sharing, exclusive fullscreen, keyboard/mouse shortcuts) are still in the…

> A lot of very basic features (remote desktop, screen sharing, exclusive fullscreen, keyboard/mouse shortcuts) are still in their infancy. - remote desktop: good point. Considering that screen recordings work fine, I don't see a technical reason that a Wayland remote desktop setup couldn't work. - exclusive fullscreen: what do you mean by this? Using Firefox, F11 and Super-F both work in Sway and F11 works with GNOM…

Post by eadmund » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 2:26 AM UTC

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I get paid to work on Arcan so I don't think factorio would have that big of an impact ;-) The initial choice of Lua for Arcan was based on its use, at the time (2004-2005ish), in World of Warcraft. The UIs that people were hacking together in WoW even with little to no serious programming experience was way more advanced than what would ever be needed for desktop interfaces so it seemed like a good fit. Even for oth…

Don't be so sure you won't miss work if you haven't yet tried Factorio! ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362179 WoW was what convinced me how practical and powerful Lua really was, too. And that there were people out there that knew how to program it really well. The WoW "Auctioneer" mod in particular was quite advanced and elegantly written. It would analyze the prices of items in the auction house over tim…

Post by DonHopkins » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 2:36 AM UTC

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>they are effectively gaining control of the Linux userland. but they aren't gaining control by some dastardly power grab, they're gaining control because they're the only ones actually putting in the work. They're simply doing what they think is best for their product, while at the same time contributing their work back to the open source world. That is good, that's how it's supposed to work. The only reason they're…

I think they are gaining control via a “dastardly power grab”, as you put it. Software that I have relied on for decades no longer runs, and it is invariably because someone at RedHat consciously decided to break compatibility with the existing Linux ecosystem in some functionality regressing way. This has happened with the Linux kernel, pulse audio, dbus, systemd, logins, systemd logger, wayland, gtk2->3, and countl…

Post by DonHopkins » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 2:43 AM UTC

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> It seems like a lot of those projects just aren't interested in accepting pull-requests from outsiders. What kind of pull requests though? Minor fixes or big architectural decisions like ssh forwarding and security features? Because there's a difference between just accepting PRs and public ownership of future project direction. The second usually doesn't result in a successful project.

>PRs and public ownership of future project direction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar That's kind of the point of open-source, public ownership. Sure, you need someone to be in charge and reject outright bad ideas, but when you're refusing to add options that support other people's personal preferences that's when it's starting to become a problem. It's all these authoritarians that think…

Post by izacus » Mon, Jul 08, 2019, 2:51 AM UTC

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The ideal Linux laptop is one with just Intel integrated, and no discrete GPU. Honestly, Intel GPUs are decent enough, even if you want to do some mild gaming. Handing two GPUs on a laptop in Linux doesn't have the best support. A lot of the Optimus/Bumblebee stuff is not very well maintained.

> even if you want to do some mild gaming Just to back this up, I've recently bought a non-touchbar 13" MBP from 2016, and been amazed at the amount of games I've been able to play no issues on the Intel graphics in it.