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>The problem is that wlroots is one of several libraries with this goal. The only successful one, to be clear. You would be unwise to base your compositor on any of the others (libweston, wlc, swc, etc). wlroots is suitable for basically any use-case.
> wlroots is suitable for basically any use-case Except the single largest GPU vendor, yes.
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Nvidia has excellent support, I think you are conflating Linux with open source. For decades, Nvidia had (and arguably still has) excellent support for the former, without really caring for the latter.
Expect supporting wayland properly, which all other major vendors have been doing for quite a while. I wouldn't call this excellent at all...
Doing what everyone else does != doing it properly
> I wouldn't call this excellent at all
So far Wayland support is most further in Gnome and even there a lot of features are still missing/broken despite Wayland being well over a decade old at this point. A lot of very basic features (remote desktop, screen sharing, exclusive fullscreen, keyboard/mouse shortcuts) are still in their infancy. Not to mention both Gnome and KDE have implemented their Wayland compositor inside the shell process so now a compositor crash means you lose all your open apps which hasn't been a problem in Linux for decades.
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The CADT development model is very real, but it's not really a good description of the Xorg situation. The most active Wayland developers are not only also Xorg developers but have been so for a very long time. They know their history. X11 has some fundamental problems. It's not fun using a modern desktop where it is impossible to sandbox individual applications. Firefox frequently processes untrusted data and is run…
Can't you use ssh and connect to localhost with the -Y option to sandbox an X app?
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> Every GPU vendor but Nvidia supports these APIs. > About a year ago Nvidia announced “Wayland support” for their proprietary driver. This included KMS and DRM support (years late, I might add), but not GBM support. They shipped something called EGLStreams instead, a concept that had been discussed and shot down by the Linux graphics development community before. That’s pretty damning for Nvidia. I can see why the d…
The ideal Linux laptop is one with just Intel integrated, and no discrete GPU. Honestly, Intel GPUs are decent enough, even if you want to do some mild gaming. Handing two GPUs on a laptop in Linux doesn't have the best support. A lot of the Optimus/Bumblebee stuff is not very well maintained.
Gaming on Linux was vaguely toleable while it lasted but I'm back to Windows.
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> Their alternative has genuine technical problems that would render large parts of wlroots broken. If this is indeed true (and I have no reason to doubt you) then I wish you and the rest of the Sway folks would focus on those issues, instead of the political arguments because from the outside it all looks very petty when you write stuff like "Nvidia doesn't support Sway". Nvidia doesn't even know about you.
I've personally spoken at length with Nvidia graphics driver developers. They know who we are and they know the technical problems. If you have no reason to doubt me, then perhaps you shouldn't.
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Actually, I wouldn't bother if Nvidia would go out of business, as I find it disgusting how they ignore consumer wishes since ages. I mean, in the past I have bought GPU hardware from Nvidia, AMD, and Intel but for a Linux desktop, the experience has been so much better when not using Nvidia, that I try to avoid their products nowadays. This won't help current owners of Nvidia hardware (as myself), but you shouldn't…
They don’t ignore consumer wishes. They have the best GPGPU toolchain around. That’s why I only use NVIDIA. Nobody supports developers for High-Performance GPU computing like they do. They also support PC gamers very well.
Probably depends on the use-case: I mean, weren't the cryptocurrency people using AMD before they switched to custom FPGAs? But for sure, for the TensorFlow users, there doesn't seem to be a viable alternative to NVIDIA and there must be a reason why CUDA is more popular than OpenCL.
What I mean with ignoring consumer wishes is that they neither offer an open-source driver like AMD and Intel do and they do not even support others in doing so, like the Nouveau people. Subsequently, as a Linux user with NVIDIA hardware, you are either stuck with the buggy binary driver or the feature-incomplete Nouveau driver while AMD and Intel users have relatively stable and feature complete open-source drivers.
Why do you think Linus Torvalds likes Nvidia so much?
I would use Wayland, but the most actively-developed tiling window manager, sway, doesn't work with the NVIDIA graphics card I own. And come to think of it, isn't that a really weird problem to have? On X, the compositor (responsible for actually drawing all the windows on the screen) and the window manager (responsible for deciding how to arrange the windows and what their title bars/borders should look like) can be…
I'm really not very sad to see X go. It was old, creaky and insecure. As advanced and cool as it may have been at one time, and as much as I respect the people who worked on it, it's time for it to go. As for the people complaining about Wayland possibly missing some of X's features, remember that it takes time for something to mature, to accrete features and fixes, and Wayland hasn't had that time yet. If we give it…
With pulse, wasn't the main complaint that it was buggy for too long after being pushed on users? Seems similar to Wayland (the ecosystem) in that regard
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> NVIDIA doesn't support GBM If Nvidia don't support it, how much of a useful standard can it really be?
NVidia has a horrible history of Linux support. GBM works just fine, they've simply chosen not to support it.
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Expect supporting wayland properly, which all other major vendors have been doing for quite a while. I wouldn't call this excellent at all...
> Expect supporting wayland properly Doing what everyone else does != doing it properly > I wouldn't call this excellent at all So far Wayland support is most further in Gnome and even there a lot of features are still missing/broken despite Wayland being well over a decade old at this point. A lot of very basic features (remote desktop, screen sharing, exclusive fullscreen, keyboard/mouse shortcuts) are still in the…