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Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by hyperion2010 » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

voldacar wrote: post #7

Are there any major x11 features that wayland lacks other than remote operation over a network? I think at one point it locked the refresh rate to 60hz, has that been changed?

Universal keybinding and screen capture of any kind. Kind of show stoppers for people who actually use their window manager for managing windows.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by ilovecaching » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

Sway has become one of my favorite pieces of software. The only issue is that Sway or Wayland seems to have trouble implementing an easy to use redshift/nightlight. Based on my research into eye strain and talking to my optometrist I keep redshift on 24/7 and I can’t go back.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by mimimi31 » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

lkirk wrote: post #3

I'm also a heavy user of an X-only window manager (xmonad). Learning about this makes me wonder if I should start learning how to work with another window manager so I'm not caught off guard when something stops working.

Do you know about Waymonad? It's supposedly Xmonad for Wayland and uses wlroots like sway.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by whatshisface » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

hyperion2010 wrote: post #11

voldacar wrote: post #7

Are there any major x11 features that wayland lacks other than remote operation over a network? I think at one point it locked the refresh rate to 60hz, has that been changed?

Universal keybinding and screen capture of any kind. Kind of show stoppers for people who actually use their window manager for managing windows.

I use screen capture and remote operation every day. Are those features planned?

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by jcranmer » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

atemerev wrote: post #4

So, RedHat decided that they do not want nvidia users anymore? I’d be more than happy to switch to Wayland, but I can’t.

For as long as X is considered to be a reasonable alternative to Wayland, NVidia is unlikely to suffer as a result of its drivers being unable to support Wayland. If Wayland becomes the only practicable option for graphics in Linux, then NVidia is going to be forced to support it to keep their Linux market share.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by beowulfey » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

Is there any plan by Wayland to incorporate ssh forwarding? Last I heard it wasn't in the cards, and I think that feature is useful enough; it's probably the only feature I really would miss.

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by okasaki » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

voldacar wrote: post #7

Are there any major x11 features that wayland lacks other than remote operation over a network? I think at one point it locked the refresh rate to 60hz, has that been changed?

Where do we even begin?

Windows managers? Consistent window decorations? Thousands of applications? Consistent performance? Redshift? Global keybindings?

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by hyperion2010 » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #14

hyperion2010 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Universal keybinding and screen capture of any kind. Kind of show stoppers for people who actually use their window manager for managing windows.

I use screen capture and remote operation every day. Are those features planned?

As far as I know not into the wayland protocol itself. The devs have been pretty adamant that wayland is 'just the compositor' and left the rest as an exercise for the community, or the toolkit developers. So for instance there is https://github.com/foss-project/green-recorder but as far as I can tell on wayland it only works for gnome, and requires dbus to work (wat?!).

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by CaptainBern » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

atemerev wrote: post #4

So, RedHat decided that they do not want nvidia users anymore? I’d be more than happy to switch to Wayland, but I can’t.

I'm under the impression it's more like NVidia does not want Linux users, or at least has turned some WM developers against them[0].

[0] https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html

Re: The death watch for the X Window System has probably started

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Post by jl6 » Sun, Jul 07, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

I intend my next PC build to last ten years, like my last one has. I will be including an AMD GPU, because I don’t want to be left high and dry by NVIDIA when Wayland takes off.