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Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by giancarlostoro »

captn3m0 wrote: post #13

This sounds weird. When CNBC broke the story a month back, I'd : 1. gone around deleting every invoice from my GMail inbox 2. Noticed it wasn't getting removed after waiting for 24 hours. 3. Reached out to the reporter mentioning google might be not deleting it properly. 4. Waiting a couple more days and calling off the alarm when google did finally delete it. I wrote about it at https://captnemo.in/blog/2019/06/01/c…

I always assume there's a backup somewhere in Google or Facebook that's old as hell but has the old emails, I would assume some of these places have cold storage options for backing up legacy data, but then again, there's the time myspace wiped a bunch of old data and nobody seemed to have cared.

Surprised to this day that many other sites have shut down, but MySpace keeps on kicking.

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by manigandham »

joecool1029 wrote: post #37
manigandham wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

> You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. As a reseller of GSuite I can tell you this is plainly wrong. Support is virtually nonexistent for paid GSuite (by this I mean, it's the same outsourced team with no escalation path to anyone in engineering). Avoid at all costs for a business.

Thanks for the input but we run on Gsuite and haven't had a single problem compared to Office 365 which locked us out repeatedly because some rep in some outsourced support center wasn't available.

The reality is every provider is both good and bad, and you're unlikely to get any major support unless you're the CTO of a major corporation.

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by windexh8er »

godelski wrote: post #40
windexh8er wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it can be. There are free archiving solutions for personal use. I run Mailarchiva [0] at home and it's fantastic for archiving mail and completely free for personal use. Encrypted on disk and you don't need to run it all the time if you don't want. Just fire up the VM for a few hours a month to archive the delta. Has been flawless for me so far and the archive searching is very fast. [0] https://www.mailarch…

How does it deal with spam filtering? This is something I understood to be a problem, along with security.

This is archiving, not a replacement for a mail server. This way you can delete all mail from your provider >30 days, for example, and still keep searchable copies off net. It's a nice middle ground and, yes, Google would still have seen all of your mail - however it wouldn't have access to it long term.

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by javagram »

vanadium wrote: post #24
manigandham wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

For the record, I have a paid business GSuite account for our household, and my purchase history was out there as well.

I have a paid business gsuite for my personal mail also, but my purchase history was blank. Weird.

I actually would like to turn it on if I could... I have labels and filters set up on Gmail to try and do the same thing but having google do it for me would be great.

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by Spooky23 »

godelski wrote: post #27
Spooky23 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No data in the hands of a third party custodian is secure. You need to delete your mail in less than 30 days, and store content you want to preserve in your home.

That's a little much to say. Because setting up a good secure sever isn't trivial.

As someone who ran a significant email service for several years and dealt with many variations of discovery requests, no it isn’t.

Nobody said that you need to run a mail server, just keep your data in your possession.

If you are worried about privacy with respect to your data, you only have limited protection for 180 days if it is on the providers server. (See Stored Communications Act)

In the US, the 4th amendment ensures that you are “secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects”. But when you put your papers or effects in the hands of a third party who isn’t your attorney, you lose much of those rights.

GMail IMO is the most honest of these services, as they are very clear that your privacy is limited in scope. Fastmail, Protonmail, etc imply things that are not as meaningful as one may think.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by slenk »

manigandham wrote: post #23
xfitm3 wrote: post #2

Is Office 365 any better - or am I stuck running my own mail server if I really want privacy?

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

I think it is incredibly easy now-a-days. Check out https://mailinabox.email or https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ (https://mailcow.email)

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by yoavm »

slenk wrote: post #46
manigandham wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

I think it is incredibly easy now-a-days. Check out https://mailinabox.email or https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ ( https://mailcow.email )

Mail-in-a-box user here. It's incredibly easy to set up your own email server these days, yes, but it's practically impossible to have your emails pass the Gmail/Outlook/etc spam filters and actually arrive at your recipient's inbox.

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by manigandham »

slenk wrote: post #46
manigandham wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

I think it is incredibly easy now-a-days. Check out https://mailinabox.email or https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ ( https://mailcow.email )

What is spam filtering and deliverability like?

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by cmroanirgo »

manigandham wrote: post #42
joecool1029 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. As a reseller of GSuite I can tell you this is plainly wrong. Support is virtually nonexistent for paid GSuite (by this I mean, it's the same outsourced team with no escalation path to anyone in engineering). Avoid at all costs for a business.

Thanks for the input but we run on Gsuite and haven't had a single problem compared to Office 365 which locked us out repeatedly because some rep in some outsourced support center wasn't available. The reality is every provider is both good and bad, and you're unlikely to get any major support unless you're the CTO of a major corporation.

There's a big difference in moving from one provider to another (and having less problems) vs claiming that there's better support to be had with the paid version of gmail (compared to it's free offering).

Re: Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted

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Post by joshuamorton »

joecool1029 wrote: post #37
manigandham wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

> You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels. As a reseller of GSuite I can tell you this is plainly wrong. Support is virtually nonexistent for paid GSuite (by this I mean, it's the same outsourced team with no escalation path to anyone in engineering). Avoid at all costs for a business.

Question: do you expect escalation to a member of the engineering team as part of standard support for any piece of large enterprise software? Like Microsoft, Oracle etc?
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