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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by namibj »

MertsA wrote: post #422
Veedrac wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as it's a small, non-locking pocket knife, you're fine. If it's larger, you're fine as long as you have a good reason (eg. needed for work).

That's dangerous advice in many areas of the United States. In NYC if a police officer finds any kind of folding knife, regardless of how harmless, if he wants to arrest you he probably can under NYPD's absurd perversion of the law by considering it possession of a drop knife. If the officer can open the knife by holding it and flicking it open via inertia then he can arrest the victim for possession of a drop knife.…

Try with a slightly-stuck Opinell. You're more likely to throw the knive or cut/puncture your finger than you are to flick it open. You can push it open with the thumb while retaining the handle with the ring? finger, but that's not flicking.

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Post by kylebarron »

kdbg wrote: post #390
sinjid wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the name of your channel? :)

Day[0] - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXFC76FDHZRVes6_lZqwLBA We are not putting out any new episodes right now though, I'm currently off on a long-distance hike.

What trail? I'm reading this from northern California on the Pacific Crest Trail

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by tpetry »

redwall_hp wrote: post #429
peter_d_sherman wrote: post #353

The problem here is that "hacking techniques" to a black hat are also, equal-and-oppositely, legitimate security research and prevention -- to a white hat / security researcher / ethical hacker... In other words, they're aspects of the same thing... The idea that you're going to ban something because one aspect of it has a negative social purpose is philosophically unsound... We don't ban videos on electricity or ele…

I think the real problem is the obsession with a centralized video silo, when internet video hasn't been "hard" for nigh on a decade. Chuck a video on a host (hell, Cloudfront is just an SFTP transfer away), and drop an HTML video tag onto a web page and you're done. Everyone who wants to run some sort of "channel" can trivially use cheap hosting and open syndication tools.

Cloudfront may only be a transfer away but bandwidth pricing is so expensive you can not afford it for video streaming.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by jiggytom »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #391
kgwxd wrote: post #76

I've noticed quite a few free software enthusiast posting their content to LBRY[1]. Doesn't seem like a perfect solution for every type of video getting messed up by YouTube lately, but I think infosec could find a good home there. [1] https://lbry.com/what

Absolutely not. Its more "decentralized crypto blockchain" nonsense. Nope, nope, and just nope.

LBRY actually has one of the most valid uses of a blockchain. Don't you see what's happening on YouTube today with demonization and censorship? No hacking videos? Really.

This is the best test: https://spee.ch/a/doyouneedablockchain

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Post by jiggytom »

jeanlucas wrote: post #409
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not. Its more "decentralized crypto blockchain" nonsense. Nope, nope, and just nope.

LBRY would be perfect without blockchain. As someone that talks about blockchain since 2016, I see no reason why they need a slow database

Care to explain how to make a censorship resistant system without a blockchain? It's one of the best use cases for it, and everything LBRY promises would not be possible without it.

https://spee.ch/a/doyouneedablockchain

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Post by heyoni »

czr wrote: post #414
peter_d_sherman wrote: post #353

The problem here is that "hacking techniques" to a black hat are also, equal-and-oppositely, legitimate security research and prevention -- to a white hat / security researcher / ethical hacker... In other words, they're aspects of the same thing... The idea that you're going to ban something because one aspect of it has a negative social purpose is philosophically unsound... We don't ban videos on electricity or ele…

Popular hacking-related YouTube channel LiveOverflow has a nice discussion of the ban that addresses this very concern at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIdZ2oPyB1Y

What’s the gist of it? I can’t watch videos without headphones, my speaker is busted :/

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Post by czr »

heyoni wrote: post #437
czr wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Popular hacking-related YouTube channel LiveOverflow has a nice discussion of the ban that addresses this very concern at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIdZ2oPyB1Y

What’s the gist of it? I can’t watch videos without headphones, my speaker is busted :/

The video is captioned if you want. But the TL;DW is that there's an ethical spectrum of security content; on one end is sketchy content that has little educational value - like, say, a tutorial on how to make a phishing page - and on the other end is educational content that could be applied maliciously but isn't intended that way - like a general web programming tutorial (or a DefCon talk). YouTube seems justified in demonetizing or removing the former type of content, but the difference between these two types is not always obvious if you don't have a security background, and so it's expected that there will be some false positives / negatives in YouTube's filtering. In practice, educational content (from LiveOverflow, for example, and from the other security channels he knows) hasn't been banned, and the few false-positive bans appear to have been reverted quickly, so it seems like this is largely a non-issue. If YouTube actually starts blocking educational security content, and not being responsive to appeals, then this would worth being upset about, but right now it seems like a non-issue.

(Note that YouTube has plenty of other problems; I'm just summarizing LiveOverflow's take on this particular controversy)

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Post by heyoni »

czr wrote: post #438
heyoni wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the gist of it? I can’t watch videos without headphones, my speaker is busted :/

The video is captioned if you want. But the TL;DW is that there's an ethical spectrum of security content; on one end is sketchy content that has little educational value - like, say, a tutorial on how to make a phishing page - and on the other end is educational content that could be applied maliciously but isn't intended that way - like a general web programming tutorial (or a DefCon talk). YouTube seems justified…

Oh man thank you so much for that. Totally makes sense and glad live overflow won’t be (hopefully) affected.

Videos aren’t working at all because the speakers on my phone are busted. On an iPhone, they won’t load even if the volume is set to 0. It has to have an output :(

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

paulcole wrote: post #392
peter_d_sherman wrote: post #353

The problem here is that "hacking techniques" to a black hat are also, equal-and-oppositely, legitimate security research and prevention -- to a white hat / security researcher / ethical hacker... In other words, they're aspects of the same thing... The idea that you're going to ban something because one aspect of it has a negative social purpose is philosophically unsound... We don't ban videos on electricity or ele…

> The idea that you're going to ban something because one aspect of it has a negative social purpose is philosophically unsound Uh, guns?

Yeah, guns are another example.
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