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Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by kungtotte »

KirinDave wrote: post #186
kungtotte wrote: post #106

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I get up at 4 AM for work (i.e no time to do anything in the morning apart from breakfast, brushing teeth and getting dressed) and most days I'm done at work by 3 PM, home by 3:30-4:00. My wife has already picked the three-year old up from day care. He's playing, watching TV, or helping me make dinner. I clean as I go when cooking so the kitchen ends up clean and the dishwasher reloaded/run during this time, then we…

> you can see how there's absolutely enough time for each of us to spend 1 hour/day doing health and fitness related activities while the other one takes care of the kid. If you're a single parent this all goes out the window, obviously. Actually, I'm waiting for you to actually detail the sport where that hour fits. The dogs take up another hour or two, and require extra playtime. For me, because I sync up with folk…

If I look after the kid between 5:30 PM and 6:30 and my wife takes 6:30 until 7:30, we both get an hour each day to do whatever we want. So... there's the slot in our schedule right there?

We could stretch it to 90 minutes apiece without sweating, which would account for us driving to the gym and back if that's what we did, but we both focus on bodyweight fitness at home instead so we really only need an hour.

The stuff about your phone times and commute wasn't really part of your original comment. I was just offering a point of view that you can "have a life" even with small children and hobbies, it's all in how you prioritise.

Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by scarejunba »

jon-wood wrote: post #145
gambiting wrote: post #140

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You can still give it up for adoption right after birth,no?

Has anyone in this conversation considered that maybe the devil has plenty of advocates on this topic and doesn’t need anymore?

Haha, fair enough. Consider me out.

Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by thomaswang »

jobigoud wrote: post #147
thomaswang wrote: post #132

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Are you forced to have a job, groom, eat or sleep?

Yes. If don't eat or sleep you die. These are required activities, not things you can decide to do or not do, so they are not competing for free time.

Anorexia heard of it. That's what happens if you choose not to eat. Yes you die but it is a choice (ish, a desease? yes, but stil a choice(of madness)).

Being a parent is time forcefully spent. Now one could argue that all free time for a parent of children below a certain age is parenting time,and thus it might make sense to have a checkbox rather than a time slider for parenting time. The point is a parents free time is non existant we simply cannot play games on a pc or code for an extended period of time on weekends or holidays because that comes at the cost of not monitoring your child's daily consumption of soap (it should be zero, but you will be amased), or you could lock them in a padded room (illegal) so that you can code/game whatever in peace.

The point is, a child makes sure that you never have a split second while they are awake to do what you want because they will literally sit on your hands and pull your hair (and you will come to love it in a bizarre way) that's just how it is (for a while)

Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by [deleted] »

paulcole wrote: post #161
TeMPOraL wrote: post #87

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Stress is orthogonal here. Many humans[0] naturally want to create, build and improve things around them. A typical job is a nearly insurmountable obstacle to that, especially if fruits of the labour only ever manifest as paycheck - hence the desire to do that in whatever free time that's left. -- [0] - I'd argue, all.

> [0] - I'd argue, all. Nope! I take no joy and have no interest in creating, building, and improving things. I like buying stuff, watching TV, scrolling through the Internet, and that’s more or less it. Just passing time until I die.

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Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by ianai »

dahart wrote: post #176
allthecybers wrote: post #78

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> The 40 hour work week is tyrannical. If you are stating this seriously, I often wonder why there isn’t a great movement toward a reduction in working days/hours in the modern workplace. It’s kind of mind boggling to me why we have to trade most of our waking hours for the majority of the prime of our life to make a living wage. Modern society should be solving for this.

There are a couple other good answers here, and I think the ideas you’re suggesting are growing in the public consciousness. But I think it’s interesting to reflect on the idea of the job, in the US at least. Our entire economy and government and our social identity rests on the deeply ingrained idea of everyone going to work every day. Our healthcare system is still very heavily job centric, since most people who ha…

Those memes could be reduced by an equally conscious awareness of the value of the other parts of life. Health relies on good sleep, good diet, good social interactions, etc. work often hinders those.

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Post by cortesoft »

dahart wrote: post #177
Waterluvian wrote: post #42

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I think it boils down to the trade off between convenience, cost, and safety. I'm convinced that kids in the developed world are so safe and so likely to see adulthood that in order to move the needle on safety even the slightest, we have to dump a huge amount of time and money into it. Okay so the infant mortality rate in Canada is at about 4 per 1000 (about 38 per 1000 in Tanzania). How do we improve that? Well let…

> I asked my dad how they let my brothers and I wanted the suburb on our own as kids. When I was 6, my parents took us to Mexico and let me and my two younger siblings wander around on our own. They also barely registered any idea of possible danger. The closest they got was when my little brother was petting a horse from behind more than a mile from home and got lightly kicked in the head. They told us to be more ca…

> It could have gone bad, but it didn’t, we survived.

I mean, this is literally survivorship bias. The kids that died being out on their own aren't posting about it

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Post by cortesoft »

gambiting wrote: post #138
cortesoft wrote: post #57

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It would be better in some ways, but it does lead to a higher infant mortality rate (as the other commenter pointed out). I don't think I am willing to make that trade off (even if I could... I would be arrested if I let my 3 year old wonder down the street alone)

I imagine there must be some middle ground. Yes, don't let your 3 year old wander around the street on their own, but also don't make them completely reliant on your attention - just let then play on their own. If they get bored then they get bored, it's not your problem(until you make it yours of course).

We try this. The amount of dangerous and destructive things a 3 year old can do is crazy

Re: How much free time do you have?

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Post by dahart »

cortesoft wrote: post #197
dahart wrote: post #177

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> I asked my dad how they let my brothers and I wanted the suburb on our own as kids. When I was 6, my parents took us to Mexico and let me and my two younger siblings wander around on our own. They also barely registered any idea of possible danger. The closest they got was when my little brother was petting a horse from behind more than a mile from home and got lightly kicked in the head. They told us to be more ca…

> It could have gone bad, but it didn’t, we survived. I mean, this is literally survivorship bias. The kids that died being out on their own aren't posting about it

It’s just survivorship, without the bias. I’m pointing out that I was lucky, not concluding that my odds were any better than they were or better than anyone else’s. I literally said it could have gone bad, I’m aware childhood mortality rates were higher in the past.

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Post by jeena »

southerndrift wrote: post #182
jeena wrote: post #167

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I don't agree, humans worked for 80 hours a week and then together reduced to 40 hours a week. I don't see why they could not reduce it to 30 or 20 hours a week. Everyone worked on a Saturday then suddenly most of the people stopped working on the Saturday, I don't see why it would be impossible for most of the people in the society to stop working on Friday too.

Because 40 hours a week are, if you remove vacations, holidays and sick leaves, on average roughly 4 hours per day. That's the amount tribal people work per day. There is no inherent human need to reduce that time further. As I said, people can already work for 30 or 20 hours per week. Why is it not enough for you if you stop working on Friday? Do you want 30 or 20 hours per week with equal pay? Then indeed you have…

> But then, less is produced

That is obviously not true because of two things:

1. Machines take over and do work and create goods

2. Humans are more productive than they were before

Here is a handy graph which I found googling https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-graphical-representati...

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