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What makes China "the enemy"?
It's a dictatorship with no concern for human rights. You decide whether to call it an "enemy" or not, but I think we should definitely avoid doing business with them.
Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
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#12The podcast “Revolutions” by Mike Duncan makes these protests a fascinating watch - are they the tipping point that causes a regime to shift, or the effort that later generations point to for inspiration if change does not happen?
Yeah, to shift toward a harder grip. HK won't be allowed to be the stronghold, the CCP will be happy to see those dissidents leaving, and the majority of mainland Chinese don't like HK anyway.
Re: Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
#13The podcast “Revolutions” by Mike Duncan makes these protests a fascinating watch - are they the tipping point that causes a regime to shift, or the effort that later generations point to for inspiration if change does not happen?
How should this be contrasted with Tiananmen Square? Was that a “shift” towards a more capitalist system?
tiananmen square protests were originally protesting that very transition toward a more capitalist-like system in china and growing anxiety toward it and the communist party’s apparent inability to handle it well; hence the push for democracy (not necessarily the liberal western democracy most would imagine)
[1]http://www.tsquare.tv/links/Walder.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests
in both cases maybe you could say students were protesting what they saw as corruption and a corrupt system and to save what they felt was the ideal that they grew up with (democratic socialism in china, liberal democracy in hongkong)?
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Re: Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes China "the enemy"?
It's a dictatorship with no concern for human rights. You decide whether to call it an "enemy" or not, but I think we should definitely avoid doing business with them.
Yeah yeah yeah... Is Saudi Arabia an enemy too? You can lie yourself all day long but America doesn't stand for democracy, freedom and all that BS.
It stands for its interests. The moral values are invoked only when they are aligned with US's interests.
Re: Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a dictatorship with no concern for human rights. You decide whether to call it an "enemy" or not, but I think we should definitely avoid doing business with them.
Yeah yeah yeah... Is Saudi Arabia an enemy too? You can lie yourself all day long but America doesn't stand for democracy, freedom and all that BS. It stands for its interests. The moral values are invoked only when they are aligned with US's interests.
>Saudi Arabia an enemy too
Drop the "enemy" talk. If there are good reasons not to do business with Saudi Arabia you can state them and if there are good reasons not to do business with America you can state those as well. None of that is relevant to whether there are good reasons to not do business with China.
Re: Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah yeah yeah... Is Saudi Arabia an enemy too? You can lie yourself all day long but America doesn't stand for democracy, freedom and all that BS. It stands for its interests. The moral values are invoked only when they are aligned with US's interests.
>Saudi Arabia an enemy too Drop the "enemy" talk. If there are good reasons not to do business with Saudi Arabia you can state them and if there are good reasons not to do business with America you can state those as well. None of that is relevant to whether there are good reasons to not do business with China.
That's my point too. It's just business. Democracy, human rights and freedom have no value.
Saudi Arabia beheads, hangs people in public squares, butchers reporters and does everything an "evil" government could do. However it is praised(by the US) as a great "beautiful" country and gets the latest "beautiful" military gear to spread its "goodness" to other countries such Yemen.
If there is one example that clears the fog about the US's stance on business and human rights that is Saudi Arabia.
I'm pretty sure the US would do business with a Nazi Europe as well if Hitler would have persuaded the US to become business partners instead of war enemies.
Re: Hong Kong mothers march in support of anti-extradition students
#17The podcast “Revolutions” by Mike Duncan makes these protests a fascinating watch - are they the tipping point that causes a regime to shift, or the effort that later generations point to for inspiration if change does not happen?
Yeah, to shift toward a harder grip. HK won't be allowed to be the stronghold, the CCP will be happy to see those dissidents leaving, and the majority of mainland Chinese don't like HK anyway.
IF (a big if) it is really the case that
1. the majority of mainland Chinese don’t like Hong Kong, and
2. the majority of Hong Kong don’t like mainland Chinese,
shouldn’t the two separate, instead of letting CCP grip harder to Hong Kong?