What sort of pollution does that blogger think is coming out a nuclear plant? He seems to think cooling towers and water show how pollute. It's just water.
When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie, it began to recover
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Re: When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie, it began to recover
#52What sort of pollution does that blogger think is coming out a nuclear plant? He seems to think cooling towers and water show how pollute. It's just water.
> What sort of pollution does that blogger think is coming out a nuclear plant?
If it's an effluent or sewer pipe, do you think "it's just water"?
Re: When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie, it began to recover
#53I stopped reading at Gaia is a tough and feisty old broad because no one -- not even a Druid -- is allowed to say "broad" and be taken seriously nowadays. I'm sorry. I didn't write the rules. That's just the way it is.
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#54Well, that is one unusual source for an HN submission! Quite interesting read - about the author, from that website: > John Michael Greer is a widely read author and blogger whose work focuses on the overlaps between ecology, spirituality, and the future of industrial society. > He served twelve years as Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America, and currently heads the Druidical Order of the Golden D…
you get different days off from work if you're a Druid
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#55I was hoping this article would go more into the detail of other invasive species in the Lakes like Asian Carp and those nasty looking parasitic Laprey's.
ctrlaltdyaln says>"like Asian Carp..."
Mmmmm! Good eating:
"Eat The Enemy: The Delicious Solution To Menacing Asian Carp"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eat-the-enemy-asian-carp_n_63...
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#56Every time I read stories about how polluted our (US/Canada) streams and lakes are it makes me shutter to think of how monumentally bad China must be with little to no environmental protection! This recent video of just one small, insignificant shop in China for example. It needs to somehow dispose of thousands of gallons of toxic chemicals ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83GDV0xsTTs ) and my suspicion is that it g…
> Every time I read stories about how polluted our (US/Canada) streams and lakes are it makes me shutter to think of how monumentally bad China must be with little to no environmental protection! We were that bad. The EPA (signed by Nixon!) is what turned that around.
read 'excuse me sir, but would you like to buy a kilo of isopropyl bromide'. Gergel proudly tells of doing exactly this in The USA. Some kid started to mess with it and got a nasty accident, if I remember correctly
Re: When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie, it began to recover
#57While I understand the point about zebra mussels cleaning up lake Erie, I can't agree with the idea that we should welcome all invasive species. After all, the presence of e.g. feral cats on various islands or foxes in Australia is just another one of the messes humans made, and we should feel as responsible for the damage they do as we feel responsible for pollution. Zebra mussels may be one of the few examples wher…
>Zebra mussels may be one of the few examples where an invasive species was actually good for the ecosystem And maybe just this ecosystem. As noted elsewhere here, zebra mussels have caused tons of other problems. In less-polluted lakes, they filter the water clear, which not only reduces fish populations but can lead to massive growth of algae.
And it only cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year since 1980, plus lots of fish. A really sweet deal!.
In the other hand, some of this billions of dollars could be used in nature conservation, or cleaning the lake by our own means and forever, or...
Re: When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie, it began to recover
#58A better title would be: "When zebra mussels colonized Lake Erie it pivoted irreversibly towards a totally different ecosystem"
It never recovered.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you raise a good point. I’d be curious to hear the reasoning on the downvotes.
We humans benefit from a stable environment. In stable-ish conditions, ecosystems evolve towards stable configurations where the sun's energy can be optimally tapped. Those disruptions bring unstability (boom-bust cycles of high amplitude) and thus danger for us.
Who says we benefit from a stable environment?
As TFA says, we're highly adaptable omnivore generalists. We thrive on change, adapt to it quickly. We live in every single land-based biome in the world (and may be the only large life form to do so).
Wishing for everything to be stable in a chaotic system like the Earth is futile. Instead, we have evolved to be antifragile and thrive on constant change.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, that evolution works by "the survival of the fittest". If an invasive species (that didn't evolve in the environment it's invading) is better-suited to the environment than the native species (who did evolve there, and by rights should be better suited to it), then that's a win for evolution. The fitter species survive, and will then evolve into the niches available. The introduction of mammals to New Zealand i…
I think you raise a good point. I’d be curious to hear the reasoning on the downvotes.
me too. I suspect that because it's contradicting the "biodiversity is best" consensus, it gets auto-downvotes.