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Re: Google Engineer bails out student in jail

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Post by gcb »

rdl wrote: post #7

It's probably worthwhile to have some familiarity with how the arrest/jail/lawyer process works beforehand. While for most people it is a low-frequency event, it's not good to learn about the process for the first time while in jail! The key is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912#... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912#

In Brazil we used to have "civic classes" in highschool about that. Then it became classes on things like "how to not be racist" and then they disappeared completely.

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Post by adamjernst »

woodrow wrote: post #6

In case you're (like me) wondering what "attempted lynching" means in the context of the article, consider yourself enlightened by the California Penal Code: 405a. The taking by means of a riot of any person from the lawful custody of any peace officer is a lynching. 405b. Every person who participates in any lynching is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years. I can't imagine this…

The original (pre-racist) definition of "lynching" was populist punishment before a proper trial. Crowds would break into jail, remove a suspect that had yet to be given a proper trial, and hang (or otherwise punish) him.

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Post by meterplech »

While people sometimes knock the Reddit community on here this is an impressive example of Redditors really helping people. Great job to the founders and everyone who put Reddit together, for all the sarcasm and jokes about it it's really cool to see stories like this.

Most importantly, good luck to this kid!

Re: Google Engineer bails out student in jail

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Post by ars »

irons wrote: post #9
olalonde wrote: post #3

Anyone knows what was the bail out amount?

$155,000, according to the linked story. Fraser paid $50,000, which he'll get back when the kid makes his court dates. The alternative was paying 10% and not getting it back, which I didn't know was standard policy. (Most of what I know about bail bonds comes from Jackie Brown.)

It's the policy of the bondsman, not the court. You basically pay the bondsman 10% of the bond in exchange for them posting the rest of it.

Some people skip the hearing, and then the bondsman is out the money, so they keep the 10% to cover their risk.

I don't know how the $50,000 number works - it seems the bond company is paying the rest of it, but I don't know what they get in return.

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Post by cd34 »

ars wrote: post #15
irons wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$155,000, according to the linked story. Fraser paid $50,000, which he'll get back when the kid makes his court dates. The alternative was paying 10% and not getting it back, which I didn't know was standard policy. (Most of what I know about bail bonds comes from Jackie Brown.)

It's the policy of the bondsman, not the court. You basically pay the bondsman 10% of the bond in exchange for them posting the rest of it. Some people skip the hearing, and then the bondsman is out the money, so they keep the 10% to cover their risk. I don't know how the $50,000 number works - it seems the bond company is paying the rest of it, but I don't know what they get in return.

A bondsman may also make you sign over collateral for the bail and make you put up 10%. If you skip, you (or a family member) loses something like... a house.

Once you skip, a bondsman has some pretty darn liberal rights at returning you to the law - and getting his money back.

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Post by gcb »

benatkin wrote: post #8
pixelcort wrote: post #2

When I've heard mention of Neil Fraser in the past I've thought of his awesome MobWrite project. But now I'll think of what he did for this kid and his family. Makes one think about what one wants to be known for.

I know of him because of http://code.google.com/p/google-diff-match-patch/ which is best in its class by a longshot. And it's a very awesome class of a library: a powerful text diff tool with implementations in multiple languages. Haven't read TFA yet but I'm expecting I'll be even more impressed by him when I get done reading it. Edit: read the article. What an amazing contribution to justice! I'm especially glad to…

The bail and nicely commented code. now you can't not like the guy!

Re: Google Engineer bails out student in jail

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Post by waterlesscloud »

woodrow wrote: post #6

In case you're (like me) wondering what "attempted lynching" means in the context of the article, consider yourself enlightened by the California Penal Code: 405a. The taking by means of a riot of any person from the lawful custody of any peace officer is a lynching. 405b. Every person who participates in any lynching is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years. I can't imagine this…

The part about "attempted lynching" results from an accusation that the student yelled "Kick her (the police officer's) ass!" during the confrontation. At least that makes the charge make sense, though of course who knows if it's true or not.

Details were linked off the linked page-

http://www.laweekly.com/2010-12-09/news/jeremy-marks-attempt...

Re: Google Engineer bails out student in jail

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Post by rdl »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #18
woodrow wrote: post #6

In case you're (like me) wondering what "attempted lynching" means in the context of the article, consider yourself enlightened by the California Penal Code: 405a. The taking by means of a riot of any person from the lawful custody of any peace officer is a lynching. 405b. Every person who participates in any lynching is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years. I can't imagine this…

The part about "attempted lynching" results from an accusation that the student yelled "Kick her (the police officer's) ass!" during the confrontation. At least that makes the charge make sense, though of course who knows if it's true or not. Details were linked off the linked page- http://www.laweekly.com/2010-12-09/news/jeremy-marks-attempt...

New goal in life: if I ever have children, don't send them to LAUSD schools. Schools with armed police at the door are undesirable -- borderline tolerable if they're there to protect from outsiders, but if they're needed to control the students, something is seriously wrong.

Re: Google Engineer bails out student in jail

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Post by mentat »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #18
woodrow wrote: post #6

In case you're (like me) wondering what "attempted lynching" means in the context of the article, consider yourself enlightened by the California Penal Code: 405a. The taking by means of a riot of any person from the lawful custody of any peace officer is a lynching. 405b. Every person who participates in any lynching is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years. I can't imagine this…

The part about "attempted lynching" results from an accusation that the student yelled "Kick her (the police officer's) ass!" during the confrontation. At least that makes the charge make sense, though of course who knows if it's true or not. Details were linked off the linked page- http://www.laweekly.com/2010-12-09/news/jeremy-marks-attempt...

The point is that doesn't make sense. He wasn't trying to get the person who the police officer was holding to administer his own justice. That's what lynching means...
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