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Post by aswanson »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #131
aswanson wrote: post #88

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Imagine if DJT had an HN account. That would be...

I suspect that a large number of people here would pay for the privilege of being able to downvote Trump[1]. I mean, I think that in several cases he's been given a bum rap by the mainstream media that wants to shred him if given the least opening, and even I have to admit that it would feel good to downvote him. [1] He'd probably get banned very quickly. And the limited number of downvotes before a comment gets kill…

Hilarious. The president of the United States probably wouldn't meet hn posting standards.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

aswanson wrote: post #141
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #131

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I suspect that a large number of people here would pay for the privilege of being able to downvote Trump[1]. I mean, I think that in several cases he's been given a bum rap by the mainstream media that wants to shred him if given the least opening, and even I have to admit that it would feel good to downvote him. [1] He'd probably get banned very quickly. And the limited number of downvotes before a comment gets kill…

Hilarious. The president of the United States probably wouldn't meet hn posting standards.

Well, he wouldn't. deng would repeatedly ask him to not post flamebait, and then would kill the account (or maybe just shadowban it, or rate limit it).

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Post by mftrhu »

brighter2morrow wrote: post #60
CharlesW wrote: post #37

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Like Conservapedia? https://www.conservapedia.com/

Rationalwiki for those for whom Wikipedia isn't leftwing enough.

Conservapedia is trying to be a Wikipedia alternative - an Internet encyclopedia, from a fundamentalist point of view.

RationalWiki is not, and I'm not sure why you mentioned it. It's not a Wikipedia fork or alternative. It's not even trying to be one, it has completely different goals. The only thing they have in common is the fact that they are both wikis, but there's thousands of those around.

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Post by Nasrudith »

raphaelj wrote: post #29

Is a decentralized social network really the solution? I'd rather enjoy having a social platform managed for the greater good, by a not-for-profit organization. The Mozilla or Wikimedia of social networks.

It is a solution rather than the solution really. It is for solving /your/ problems rather than socety's essentially so it is a matter of use cases.

Re: Wikipedia co-founder slams the ‘appalling’ internet

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Post by reallydude »

pixl97 wrote: post #138
reallydude wrote: post #120

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> n what way could Britannica possibly be better than Wikipedia. > Mind giving some examples? Google can help you with these questions, to your own satisfaction.

You mean "Google can help you on a reality tunnel choose your own adventure"?

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but I assume it has something to do with arguing about choosing the alternate source of fact on top of the discussion about criticism of wikipedia, which is used as a source of fact.

This is not a winnable debate, but differing views exist.

This is an incomplete list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedia_controversie...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict-of-interest_editing_o...

https://www.quora.com/Am-I-the-only-frustrated-former-Wikipe...

etc.

The dubious nature of wikipedia's editing is recorded within books and articles from over the last decade that are casually discoverable from google. AFAIK, anyone who implies they aren't aware of the biases of editors, are either willfully ignorant (since this is covered under multiple topics within wikipedia itself) or trolling.

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Post by ummonk »

nsajko wrote: post #113
KKPMW wrote: post #97

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It's not even just political content or history. Take for example economics: There is an article about economics, obviously. And in its "criticism" section there is a long paragraph about criticism of economics from a feminist point of view. However wikipedia also has an article about feminist economics. Which is almost equal in length to the article about economics in general. And if you go to the feminist economics…

You say that the "feminist economics" article does not seem impartial to you, but have you tried improving it? You could add that Criticism section.

Have you tried to edit contentious Wikipedia articles? The edits would get nuked and Wikilawyered away by editors who control the article.

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Post by LocalH »

dhhdhdsbdb wrote: post #87
dalore wrote: post #80

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I don't like where this thought experiment goes. Replace internet with earth. Why is it seen as an obvious truth that we should allow every single person onto the Earth, without ever being able to remove them? What you speak about is tribalism and is a genetic trait that used to help us survive. But we can rise above our animal instincts and be better.

Sure, but it's naive to think everyone will get along if we just wish for it hard enough. There need to be ways of limiting communities to subgroups. Anecdotally, an example is ladies tea events in social circles. If you ask women who are in to this, there is a different atmosphere by having only women present. Do guys want to join? Sure, but that's too bad. Not everything has to be for everyone.

That's interesting, as there are segments of the population for whom keeping others out of their groups is seen as problematic

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Post by braythwayt »

krapp wrote: post #59
braythwayt wrote: post #51

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There is a fundamental difference between "Everyone should be allowed on the Internet," and, "Everyone should be allowed onto every social media site." Or, "Everyone on a social media site should be encouraged to interact with everyone else." For example, maybe everybody should be able to read the President's tweets. But should Twitter necessarily be such that everybody can reply to the President's tweets? At this po…

>But should Twitter necessarily be such that everybody can reply to the President's tweets? The ability to directly and freely communicate with leaders (and for them to communicate with one another) is incredibly revolutionary. It is unfortunate that Twitter, of all places, a site whose entire purpose is top-of-mind contextless microblogging, is where this revolution is taking place, and that the President in questio…

Sorry, super-busy and couldn’t reply earlier.

I like the idea of citizens communicating with their representatives, but that isn’t what happens when people reply to Trump, or Kamala Harris, or whomever.

We all see those replies, so the incentive is to basically spam those Tweets with stuff that people want amplified on DJT’s coattails.

I’d be delighted if Twitter hid replies from people I don’t follow, but that’s not how it works, and it’s not how they want it to work.

And in my opinion, it doesn’t work. JM2C.

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Post by iamsb »

denzil_correa wrote: post #67
iamsb wrote: post #13

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India has many problems with media. Fake news media, crypto fake media, deep fake media. Fake media is easy to identify. Crypto media and deep fake is more difficult. Recently google sponsored data journalism award was given to one of the most partisan website. And new think tanks which are sponsored by unknown forces come up all the time. One of the recent ones which I am investigating is called equality labs which…

> Recently google sponsored data journalism award was given to one of the most partisan website. Fake news is not the same as partisan news. > One of the recent ones which I am investigating is called equality labs which recently did a dubious study claiming that there is absolutely no abuse of a majority group on Internet by a minority group. Link to the study?

Here is the study. There is PDF with the page which details the study methodology as well. https://www.equalitylabs.org/facebook-india-report https://www.equalitylabs.org/s/Facebook_India_Report_Equalit...

Also to elaborate - if you are claiming to be doing data driven journalism, but are ignoring with malice all the data which does not fit your narrative, that seems more like fake news than just partisanship to me.

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Post by iamsb »

bobsil1 wrote: post #85
gabcoh wrote: post #17

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What is crypto fake media?

Unidentified fakes

That. And in specifically in India lot of people use false identities by impersonating a person from different socio-economic background. For example - there might be a protest by farmers, but most of the farmers in the protest are not actually farmers.
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