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Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

Define "valuable".

If you gather a lot of people with just a bit of money each, they'll collectively have a lot of money.

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#52

Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

They probably are valuable customers. Tech companies have literally no reach where the internet does not touch. If they want to expand to their full (terrifying) power, they would need to give internet access to everyone, and then control it.

Terrifying power? Amazon has succeeded by getting customers what they want, and doing it cheaper, faster and more conveniently than their competition. Of all the tech companies to be cynical about, they most obviously make people's lives better, and expanding their reach (along with the "ancillary benefits" of giving people access to the internet...) is a moral good.

Really, this knee-jerk paranoia is difficult to understand. If Amazon stops serving its customers well it'll go out of business. If it pisses people off it'll go out of business. If it tries to break the law it'll go out of business. It has limited power -- effectively none compared to any kind of government -- and no ambitions, incentives or clear paths to acquire that kind of power.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

#53

Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

Telecoms are among the most tightly regulated and jealously held national level industries. If you can put up a global network in a few years that pushes down 4 and 5G speeds, the national telecom companies become obsolete.

There will be some holdouts, but eventually it will become stupid for many places to invest in terrestrial infrastructure just to protect a technologically inferior domestic telecom company.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

#54

Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

Oh, they will be valuable customers: poor people are too poor to afford choice. If Amazon offers "internet access" for x¤ monthly, and "Amazon internet access" for x/3¤, what option will poor people take? After that, all of their online spending will be as profitable as selling groceries in the company town store.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

It s a ruse. The US will win the landgrab for controlling the communication networks of up and coming regions like Africa before the Chinese do

Better the US than China, honestly. For all its faults, the US is still a (flawed) democracy with a free press. Its capacity for abuse is at least moderated.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

#56

Private corporations owning more and more utility infrastructure really concerns me. Is there a world where nations band together and launch this as public infrastructure rather than private corporations lobbying a USA government agency for permission?

Get specific about the concern, otherwise it's easy to get afraid about everything.

Govt's hardly own telecom infra, it's all in private hands. And when orgs get too big for their boots, things like this happen- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably are valuable customers. Tech companies have literally no reach where the internet does not touch. If they want to expand to their full (terrifying) power, they would need to give internet access to everyone, and then control it.

Terrifying power? Amazon has succeeded by getting customers what they want, and doing it cheaper, faster and more conveniently than their competition. Of all the tech companies to be cynical about, they most obviously make people's lives better , and expanding their reach (along with the "ancillary benefits" of giving people access to the internet...) is a moral good. Really, this knee-jerk paranoia is difficult to u…

"If Amazon stops serving its customers well it'll go out of business. If it pisses people off it'll go out of business." This is the central myth of the free market. Part and parcel of a massive internet company is having control over the flow of information, how can people protect their rights if they don't even know they're being violated, or if they're being distracted from protecting themselves by lies and manipulation? That is essentially the stated goal of a company's PR, and the sort of technology that goes into actively manipulative practices that we just accept out of tradition (the entire concept of marketing is a violation of "invisible hand") has now reached the level where people stand no chance, the amount of money and research that goes into making you make decisions that are in a large corporation's interests over your own are something any particular individual could never possibly match.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Welcome to the dystopian future where no human anywhere on Earth can look up and see an authentic sky, as their ancestors did. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/science/starlink-spacex-a... And thanks to SpaceX (and now Amazon), astronomers will now have to do their observations from space. If only there was a way to get telescopes up there. Oh, wait... SpaceX just happens to have a way to solve the problem it creat…

> where no human anywhere on Earth can look up and see an authentic sky, as their ancestors did. The past ~80 years of light pollution has already prevented this from happening.

The past ~80 years of light pollution has already prevented this from happening.

Only if you never leave a city.

Dark skies are so important and desirable to people that there's an entire tourism industry that revolves around giving people the ability to look at the night sky.

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/travel-tips-and-articles/travel...

https://www.visitarizona.com/dark-skies

https://www.visitcountydurham.org/opportunities/darkskies

https://www.travelandleisure.com/trip-ideas/space-astronomy/...

https://cpdarkskies.org/2018/12/13/destination-dark-skies/

https://thepointsguy.com/news/dark-skies-how-light-pollution...

Clearly there are lots of people who value the sky, even if a few billionaires and people on HN who believe in "tech at all costs" don't.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

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Welcome to the dystopian future where no human anywhere on Earth can look up and see an authentic sky, as their ancestors did. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/science/starlink-spacex-a... And thanks to SpaceX (and now Amazon), astronomers will now have to do their observations from space. If only there was a way to get telescopes up there. Oh, wait... SpaceX just happens to have a way to solve the problem it creat…

I don't think 3000 satellites are nearly enough to completely blot out the sky across the entire planet.

3,000 from Amazon, 10,000 already approved from SpaceX, who knows how many will go up from various companies in Europe, China, India, etc...

This is the beginning, not the end.

Re: Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites

#60

Anyone wanna offer me their hypothesis on what Amazon and other tech companies gain from offering internet to people who probably aren't valuable consumers?

I live in West Virginia and have no household access to broadband internet service. (No cable or DSL available here) The square mile around me has dozens of homes with incomes above the US median. Our area is not especially rugged, but the West Virginia government is both corrupt and incompetent. We are all cheering on Starlink and this new effort from Amazon. The only question is whether 5G will get here first!
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