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Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

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Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

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To be clear, according to Apple, these keyboard repairs are free.

My time isn't free. The fact that I have to deal with this at all makes me never want to buy another Mac and I have been a heavy user for at least 20 years. Super annoyed.

Totally fair point. It is a hassle and a regrettable that the keyboards have this problem. It's a design flaw.

But at least they are doing the right thing. Hopefully the new keyboard design fixes the flaws.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#52

I'll be holding on to my 2012 MacBook Pro until they switch to a different kind of keyboard. If they don't, then I'm getting a Surface instead.

Unless you live far from any Apple Stores, shouldn’t this warranty program mean that you can upgrade without worry? These laptops effectively require “regular maintenance” (sort of like replacing balding tires on a car); but by buying one of the affected notebooks, you’re getting a free subscription to that maintenance. It’s like using a rental car long-term—whenever the tires wear out, you bring it back to the rental agency and they replace them (or give you a different car.)

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#53
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's repair service, and the Apple Store in general, have gotten much better in the last six months or so. Two weeks ago I brought my Apple Watch in for an out-of-warranty repair on a Thursday night. I was told it would take 10 business days. It was ready the following Tuesday.

You think so? I remember back in university, Apple would overnight ship my laptop to fix it. The last time I went to Apple, they wouldn’t even replace my faulty charger without me complaining to the manager.

My daughter was in the Apple store the other day with a faulty charger. (It wasn't the problem she went to ask about.) They wouldn't even speak to her about the problem she wanted to talk about until they went and got a new charger for her. They said it was just better to get that out of the way first. So her experience was excellent.

How is everyone's Apple store experience so radically different?

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#54
post #5

Add to that, that the keycaps break. They have teeny-tiny clips on the top edge, which just break after a while, and they just lift off, sticking to your finger, or just shift slightly, enough not to 'click' when you press them. I'm not a particularly heavy typist (though it sounds like it on the butterfly keyboard, compared to my previous 2013 macbbok pro), but I've now had about 8 keycaps replaced in the lasst year…

My A S and C keys letters are totally warn out and white and the light shines through a good part. I get a new laptop each year (pass old down through business) and this degradation happens pretty quick. must be oil from fingers. though I like to think I'm pretty clean and my laptop is too..

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#55
post #41

On a related note, has anyone else had issues with the iPad Smart Keyboard after 15+ months? Bought mine for the 10.5 iPad Pro and at some point I started getting Accessory Not Recognized messages, then it would stop working unless I removed and reattached it, then it finally died entirely. There are reports of similar experiences in the Apple Support Communities and on Reddit, and Apple reportedly created a program…

My iPad Pro 12.9 smart keyboard also failed in this way.

Fortunately the Apple store replaced it for free (Vancouver BC Canada) saying there was a quality program about these keyboards. Apparently it is not the connector, but the flex cable that connects the iPad that fails.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#56
post #41

On a related note, has anyone else had issues with the iPad Smart Keyboard after 15+ months? Bought mine for the 10.5 iPad Pro and at some point I started getting Accessory Not Recognized messages, then it would stop working unless I removed and reattached it, then it finally died entirely. There are reports of similar experiences in the Apple Support Communities and on Reddit, and Apple reportedly created a program…

I have the previous gen 12.9" iPad Pro and my keyboard has just started giving me the not recognized messages and occasionally not working. It hasn't died completely yet but I'm giving it to my son and he'll mostly just use the pencil doing art stuff so it's not that big a deal personally.

Still, it's sad to see so much Apple tech being life-limited due to aging batteries or what not.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#57
post #8

Ugh. I really want to upgrade my 2014 mba. Four gigs of ram doesn’t cut it anymore and my eyes have grown tired of the screen. I love the size, battery life, I just don’t know what to get next.

Intriguingly, once iPadOS drops, an iPad Pro with a Brydge keyboard (https://www.brydge.com/products/brydge-12-9-ipad-pro-keyboar...) might work out pretty well as a modern notebook.

Then again, once iPadOS drops, iPads will have mouse support, so Brydge will probably come out with an even better keyboard case that actually has a trackpad. Probably best to wait and see.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

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post #52

I'll be holding on to my 2012 MacBook Pro until they switch to a different kind of keyboard. If they don't, then I'm getting a Surface instead.

Unless you live far from any Apple Stores, shouldn’t this warranty program mean that you can upgrade without worry? These laptops effectively require “regular maintenance” (sort of like replacing balding tires on a car); but by buying one of the affected notebooks, you’re getting a free subscription to that maintenance. It’s like using a rental car long-term—whenever the tires wear out, you bring it back to the renta…

The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually results in the complete wipe of data.

Also there's obviously the idea where a keyboard shouldn't be failing after months of moderate use. Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem as we've been making keyboards for 40+ years now.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

#59
This was the case with my 2015 MacBook a couple of years ago. The “geniuses” were refusing to fix the keyboard free of charge until they realized I was aware of the law suite and their attitude suddenly changed to “we will fix it for free because we have a great customer support”. I garantee there are people who didn’t know better and paid for it. And I highly doubt that “it’s a small percentage of the customers” affected as that page claims.

Re: Apple's service program for butterfly keyboard MacBooks, even out of warranty

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you live far from any Apple Stores, shouldn’t this warranty program mean that you can upgrade without worry? These laptops effectively require “regular maintenance” (sort of like replacing balding tires on a car); but by buying one of the affected notebooks, you’re getting a free subscription to that maintenance. It’s like using a rental car long-term—whenever the tires wear out, you bring it back to the renta…

The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually results in the complete wipe of data. Also there's obviously the idea where a keyboard shouldn't be failing after months of moderate use. Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem as we've been making keyboards for 40+ years now.

> Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem

With keyboards, yes, but gunk getting stuck in your mouse used to be a big problem, back when mice had balls. :)

Before even that, in PC towers and notebooks with active cooling, they used to be built without dust grates in front of the ventilation fans. The fans themselves used to gunk up!

The real “modern problem” is that you basically can’t clean a MacBook keyboard, since removing any key-cap has a 90% chance of permanently damaging the butterfly key-mech underneath. (I think the main improvement with the successive revisions of the butterfly key-mech is that they don’t snap their pegs off as easily when you remove the key-cap, so you can—in theory—clean them. If you’re a trained repair tech.)

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