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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by ggg2 »

kdbg wrote: post #276
piokoch wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is always same story. If a problem concerns someone "well known" who is able to attract attention, than Google, Facebook, etc. are stepping back. If it were some random "amateurish" hacker channel, it would be banned and nobody would give a crap. The problem is that many valuable things started as some "amateurish" stuff put together by some clever guys in a garage.

I'll actually be a counter example to that, I recently started a security podcast with a couple friends, talking about the latest in exploit development and mitigations, and whatever news we find interesting. Shortly after we uploaded our 4th episode we were banned on Youtube. We appealed the ban and were allowed back on pretty quickly (hours) and we are by no means a large channel even now (~50 subs).

I'm happy for you that you speak a language google happens to have support in, and that you have the time to besides creating and uploading content, to monitor it is not censored at a later, random, date by google. And that you were able to provide the US based documentation they required and that your videos content happened to not be in the blacklist of any nation state.

/s (I guess)

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by 0xfeba »

ggg2 wrote: post #341
kdbg wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll actually be a counter example to that, I recently started a security podcast with a couple friends, talking about the latest in exploit development and mitigations, and whatever news we find interesting. Shortly after we uploaded our 4th episode we were banned on Youtube. We appealed the ban and were allowed back on pretty quickly (hours) and we are by no means a large channel even now (~50 subs).

I'm happy for you that you speak a language google happens to have support in, and that you have the time to besides creating and uploading content, to monitor it is not censored at a later, random, date by google. And that you were able to provide the US based documentation they required and that your videos content happened to not be in the blacklist of any nation state. /s (I guess)

YouTube is a private company. They are under no obligation to provide support in 5,000 different languages. Or to host your videos at all. This post reeks of entitlement.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by t34543 »

torified wrote: post #165

The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments. I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating. I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are. The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

Don’t forget that people are behind both corporations and governments. It’s being ruined by people.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by knolax »

0xfeba wrote: post #342
ggg2 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy for you that you speak a language google happens to have support in, and that you have the time to besides creating and uploading content, to monitor it is not censored at a later, random, date by google. And that you were able to provide the US based documentation they required and that your videos content happened to not be in the blacklist of any nation state. /s (I guess)

YouTube is a private company. They are under no obligation to provide support in 5,000 different languages. Or to host your videos at all. This post reeks of entitlement.

They're a private company and GP is complaining about their poor service. They're not obligated to support multiple languages, but a service that big not supporting multiple languages seems like an incredibly bad move even from a purely business perspective. Doesn't seem entitled to me.

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Post by lonelappde »

0xfeba wrote: post #342
ggg2 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy for you that you speak a language google happens to have support in, and that you have the time to besides creating and uploading content, to monitor it is not censored at a later, random, date by google. And that you were able to provide the US based documentation they required and that your videos content happened to not be in the blacklist of any nation state. /s (I guess)

YouTube is a private company. They are under no obligation to provide support in 5,000 different languages. Or to host your videos at all. This post reeks of entitlement.

It's uncouth and a rude display of privilege to be smug about the fact that English is by far the most supported language on the Internet.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by b3hav3 »

mikro2nd wrote: post #332
CraneWorm wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTH, don't keep that stuff on YT.

Well,... for some people that seems to be the easiest way to distribute it to the whole (widely dispersed, extended) family. What would you suggest as an alternative?

Google Photos

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

dalbasal wrote: post #323
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But YouTube having faster servers isn't an "open web" roadblock, Facebook's social graph isn't either -- neither of these shed any light on your previous comment for me.

What would?

In the original comment you mentioned the open web put roadblocks in the way of progress due to idealism. So, if you could say what those roadblocks were, and how the idealism supported them ...

Presumably you're not accusing "open web" activists of having ideals that favour inhibiting bandwidth, or hosting content on slow servers, so noting that proprietary ["closed"] services had those facets is irrelevant to your original comment.

If you felt that people wanting to use PNG, because GIF was closed and contrary to [the nebulous concept of] "open web ideals" has retarded progress on the web, then that might be an example? I'm struggling for an example, because I don't know of any examples, which is why I asked you because you spoke implying you know [many] examples!

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

krilly wrote: post #340
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some video sectors people issue "preview" videos on YouTube (for discovery, network effect) and have a full video elsewhere that doesn't have to comply with YouTube's terms. That would probably work here until YouTube move on to "can't signpost content that's not allowed here".

This approach implies that YouTube actually pays attention to the details of their terms, rather than just using wide sweeping keyword filters.

It seems to work in the sector I was thinking of (lewd ASMR).

I guess if YouTube blocks content by keywords we'll need to get creative with the thesaurus or ROT13.

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

CraneWorm wrote: post #333
mikro2nd wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well,... for some people that seems to be the easiest way to distribute it to the whole (widely dispersed, extended) family. What would you suggest as an alternative?

I'd recommend Firefox Send ( https://send.firefox.com/ ) or maybe Dropbox.

Or whatsapp or signal... Or google drive. Just not YouTube.
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