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I'm always sad when I'm the only one opting for a patdown at the airport after Defcon.
what do you mean by "after Defcon". Could you please elaborate what you're referring to?
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This may be true but the end game for governments is to have facial recognition everywhere. They start at the airport because "it doesn't matter, you are already giving your info out" and then we become OK with the idea so they start rolling it out for public transport and "it doesn't matter, you already do this every time you fly" It seems to me that the only way to resist is to take a very hard rejection of facial…
> It seems to me that the only way to resist is to take a very hard rejection of facial recognition entirely in any situation. Realistically the only way to resist is to develop an informed, engaged populace. There's a huge gulf between "facial recognition for crossing international borders" and "facial recognition for getting on the subway" - the former is obviously beneficial and the latter is obviously a massive o…
The same was said about the TSA searching people boarding aircraft, but then that moved to people in train stations, greyhound stations etc. being searched. Overreach is commonplace.
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I would argue against the first being obviously beneficial. The downsides of having such a system in place in my opinion outweighs any current or foreseeable benefit. One step further, I have yet to hear of a scenario where facial recognition would be a positive application. In my opinion the complete rejection is the right approach when it comes to facial recognition. Being able to automatically identify a person wi…
I believe "facial recognition for crossing an international border" is an obvious benefit because, look, the world is not all sunshine and daisies and it's important that we're able to validate that a person going from one country to another is who they say they are. You seem to be operating under the core assumption that because we as a society allow facial recognition in that situation it will inevitably expand to…
The argument also assumes that we will continue have democratic systems and the population not voting for such systems to be implemented. The reality is what ever means and information we currently entrust to governments later versions will also have access to. Not to mention the export of these technologies to "friendly" dictatorships. Its the old problem of census data in the Netherlands. They had extremely detailed census data involving peoples religious beliefs before the Nazis invaded and with the data available the persecution of Jews was extremely efficient. The resistance targeted the locations of these datasets but it didnt work good enough.
I also dont see how international borders need anything more then fingerprints. They are also far more accurate and reliable. Facial recognition has the only added benefit of being usable without the effected people noticing. Thats not a positive characteristic.
To come back to the central argument, we do already have other means of identifying people and facial recognition only differs in a few core issues from existing mechanics. The core characteristics of facial recognition are
* No need for a cooperative, consenting subject
* Not alerting the subject being identified and no protection against being identified without noticing
* Unchangeable identification characteristic
We already have reliable easy to use systems for characteristic 1 and 3, fingerprints, and I see how there might be a need for such systems at specific locations. For example at a police station or border checkpoints.
Then we have facial recognition which is a lot less accurate and its only additional benefit is point 2. Point 2 however has no positive use cases, its a purely totalitarian instrument aimed at its scale-ability. For not only being used in specific places but everywhere. You cant even make the argument which makes nuclear weapons a worthwhile technology to have, the possible usage for war against a foreign aggressor. Facial recognition is only beneficial to keep a population suppressed.
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It's a jobs program.
It's a jobs program which humiliates innocent Americans and treats those who have committed no crime as common criminals without any warrant or probable cause. It's a violation of individual sovereignty without reason. Jobs are good, but the ends do not justify the means.
Very click-baity. Below the only part that actually relates to the title: The announcement came as we began to board. Last month, I was at Detroit’s Metro Airport for a connecting flight to Southeast Asia. I listened as a Delta Air Lines staff member informed passengers that the boarding process would use facial recognition instead of passport scanners. As a privacy-conscious person, I was uncomfortable boarding this…
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Every one of your posts to HN has included a personal attack. That's not allowed here, so we've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .
You mean the whole 1 comment I ever made before? It's these condescending idiots that bring it out in me.
> Is saving a few minutes worth handing over your most sensitive biometric information? The problem is that you've already handed this biometric information over; say, when you get a passport. There is no "opt-out" for that context. This is also why RealId was so vehemently opposed[0]. At the end of the day, they're getting your data - one way or another and there is no opt-out for that. So, to make an appeal on the…
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What's your opinion on deepnude?
I created fake nudes in high school about 20 years ago... It's always been on the table for an artist to fake them, the only difference in that and deep nudes are that a computer does them. Why is it just now bothering people? Because of the buzz word of deepnude?
Your youth makes your actions forgivable, but not acceptable.
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You mean the whole 1 comment I ever made before? It's these condescending idiots that bring it out in me.
I meant these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20348725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20348536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20343367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19787124
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They show you naked and invade your privacy
"Naked" is a real stretch. It's basically a black and white, lumpy x-ray viewed from a remote control room.
That's the reason why there are more recent devices that hide the nudity and only show abstract figures with suspicious body areas highlighted.
But the airport visitors has no way of knowing what generation the software is, i.e. whether they are visible in the nude or not. Also, the unmodified images by still be stored on the device - who knows?