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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by yomly »

kossae wrote: post #8
submeta wrote: post #4

Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)

What’s wrong with the 2015? That’s the last good version of the keyboard IMO.

Funny there's a conversation about the ThinkPad 2015 going on - my x240 was the generation that had the buttonless trackpad (which screwed the trackpoint).

Credit to Lenovo, they backtracked within one generation, but I am not nearly so rich as to be able to change laptops that often so it was a costly design "innovation" to me on their end!

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by mromanuk »

m12k wrote: post #77
vr46 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a personal 2015 MBP but my current client has provided me with a 2018 MBP. Despite being a Vim user, I’ve discovered that the Touch ID allows me to shut my laptop more often due to the quick login, rather than it being an always open distraction. (I work from books and paper a lot). This is not applicable to many others, I’m sure, but I’ve found a new way of using the laptop as a result: as yet another tool an…

Yeah, it seems to me the ideal version still has TouchId but not the rest of the touch bar (Like modern Macbook Air). Combine that with scissor switch keys, and then I'll be happy to upgrade

so basically the 2020 ideal machine is the macbook pro mid-2015 (I've this) with newer cpu, memory, etc

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Razengan »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #69
Razengan wrote: post #59

I personally love the Touch Bar and I really like the quiet, soft, short-travel keys on the 2015+ MacBooks. Other than a "rigid" cursor key on the first-generation 12" MacBook, I haven't experienced any unresponsive keys, definitely not on the Pros, yet (though that may be because I always use a protector or "keyboard condom" to prevent finger stains and smudges.) I do not miss MagSafe or the headphone jack either. I…

I personally think the new keyboards are atrocious, but that's your opinion and I respect it. Until the "loud minority" part. Your love for Apple is blinding you, I doubt they would shell out the money for a replacement program if it was truly just a "loud minority".

They have replacement programs for other issues, like faulty batteries and logic boards, regardless of whether many people are affected or a few.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by rikkus »

JDiculous wrote: post #36

Great, the butterfly keys were an enormous downgrade in terms of comfort, and one of the reasons I sold my 2017 Macbook Pro. But will they still keep that awful touchbar where the Esc and F1-12 are supposed to be? Then I'll still be passing.

I had a loaner Touchbar-equipped MBP as my daily driver for a couple of months.

I already had Caps Lock mapped to Ctrl. I used Karabiner Elements to map a Caps Lock press to Escape. It took about a day to get used to.

I’ve managed to get a 2015 model back now, but I’m sticking with Caps Lock press = Escape.

I miss the fingerprint reader!

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Cyph0n »

robertAngst wrote: post #78
dougmwne wrote: post #7

Thank goodness. MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects, but I had to cross them off the buy list due to the keyboard. I understand it's controversial, but for me I've spent plenty of time using the butterfly keyboard and it just doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I'm not some mechanical keyboard purist, actually my favorite keyboard of all time was the previous chicklet keyboard. A runner up for me is a trav…

> MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects I've never heard this before. I thought some people needed their proprietary software that could only be run on Apple products, and that is what forces someone to buy a Macbook. What are they best in class for? EDIT: Thank you for the serious responses

Reliable, great hardware quality (keyboard aside), gorgeous Unix-based OS out of the box, excellent driver support.

Edit: And the best trackpad ever designed imo

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by shurcooL »

kenneth wrote: post #17

Once I got used to the new keyboards, I actually far prefer them. Ditto with the TouchBar. Yeah, I'm a heretic I suppose. Keyboard: pleasant clicky-ness and little movement required. Thin AF. TouchBar: customized with BetterTouchTools to be a hybrid of my most often-used shortcuts (expand menu, alfred, fantastical, window management, and 1password on the left, notification center and lock screen on the right) and mus…

> Oh and the escape key… long remapped to caps lock. If I really need caps lock, fn + caps lock key toggles it.

I've remapped escape to caps lock too, but how do you get fn + caps lock to toggle caps lock?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by nicky0 »

robertAngst wrote: post #78
dougmwne wrote: post #7

Thank goodness. MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects, but I had to cross them off the buy list due to the keyboard. I understand it's controversial, but for me I've spent plenty of time using the butterfly keyboard and it just doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I'm not some mechanical keyboard purist, actually my favorite keyboard of all time was the previous chicklet keyboard. A runner up for me is a trav…

> MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects I've never heard this before. I thought some people needed their proprietary software that could only be run on Apple products, and that is what forces someone to buy a Macbook. What are they best in class for? EDIT: Thank you for the serious responses

Best in class screens

The trackpad is unsurpassed in the industry

Low power consumption / good battery life

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Razengan »

robertAngst wrote: post #78
dougmwne wrote: post #7

Thank goodness. MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects, but I had to cross them off the buy list due to the keyboard. I understand it's controversial, but for me I've spent plenty of time using the butterfly keyboard and it just doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I'm not some mechanical keyboard purist, actually my favorite keyboard of all time was the previous chicklet keyboard. A runner up for me is a trav…

> MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects I've never heard this before. I thought some people needed their proprietary software that could only be run on Apple products, and that is what forces someone to buy a Macbook. What are they best in class for? EDIT: Thank you for the serious responses

> What are they best in class for?

The overall experience.

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